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Trump to NFL owners: Fire players who kneel during anthem

Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Guno, Sep 23, 2017.

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  1. Guno

    Guno Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell slammed Trump in a statement Saturday morning, calling the President "divisive" for remarks he made at a rally in Alabama Friday night, while one of the most famous athletes in the world, LeBron James, called Trump a "bum" for a Saturday morning tweet aimed at the Golden State Warriors' Stephen Curry.
     
    Guno, Sep 23, 2017
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    what would you do? you arent thinking it through.
     
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  3. Guno

    Guno Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no hate only his white supremacists bums
     
    Guno, Sep 23, 2017
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ha!

    Michael: "And from then on, he stood respectfully for anthem."
    Kate: "How did your father do that, Michael?"
    Michael: "He made him an offer he couldn't refuse."

    I've already said several times what I would do. As the team owner, my expectation from my players would be that they stand respectfully during the playing of the national anthem. I would respect their right to speak their minds on political matters, to protest, etc, when they were not in the team's uniform. But if they insisted on doing that sort of thing while in the team's uniform, I'd get rid of them. I take it you wouldn't because of "free speech". But some free speech can be pretty dang offensive, as I pointed out, and I wouldn't be paying them to be offensive. I'm paying them to play the sport.
     
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    Just how did you come to that conclusion again? Trump suffered whatever consequences came from him opening up his mouth.

    Like all other humans. Let me know when you can comprehend that reality.

    This way you wont get all caught up with that assuming-n-stuff.
     
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    Guno, Sep 23, 2017
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    Maybe he wakes up one morning with a crushed bloody helmet in his bed?
     
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    Or wakes up in a whore house with a dead hooker. :eekeyes:
     
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    the obvious stuff is obvious
     
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    you would end up with no team
     
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    Yes I am in the military which is why the antics of these players strikes a particular personal nerve with me. It is also why I personally refuse to pay money to attend NFL games anymore until the league decides to handle this situation in a matter that I feel appropriate. If any of the players on my team decide to partake in this garbage then I would stop buying their merchandise until this situation was handled. Luckily nobody from my team seems to be participating in this.

    To answer your first question, I would probably tell that player that they are free to protest if they so desire but if they choose to do so then they will do it in the locker room while the rest of the team is on the field during the opening ceremony and they can join the team once the opening ceremony is complete. As the owner of the team I THINK I have the authority to regulate what I deem to be acceptable behavior from my players in the public eye. If it turns out that I didn't have such authority then I would likely cut that player under the premise of being disruptive and degrading to team unity or something and deal with the media fallout from my decision.

    This is just what I would do given my background and seeing how what they are doing is personally offensive to me. I'm not saying this is what owners SHOULD do, nor am I necessarily blaming them for not doing this, but it's what I would do. But then again their antics also irk me more than they likely do many others and I have zero tolerance for people who feel that way about our country. When it comes to things like that I don't think I'm able to separate personal and professionalism.

    In layman's terms, I don't give a damn how good you are at your job, if you disrespect my country in that manner then you're fired. Which is why I'm glad I'm not in charge of civilians and have to make decisions like that lol. In my line of work we don't have too many folks who think the way these players do, and if they do they know to keep that crap to themselves.
     
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    Well said. I can't add a thing to that. Cheers! :beer:
     
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    This was in Los Angeles earlier this year. Even non Canadian citizens stood in respect of the playing of the Canadian national anthem (O' Canada) at a NHL All Stars game.


    When the national anthem of the United States was played, American citizens put their right hand over their hearts while all of the Canuks who were present stood in respect of the national anthem of the United States.

    It's what you do.

     
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    Your attitude is exactly why the founding fathers did not want a large standing army
     
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    Then you should have known with Trump suffering consequences of his free speech. Something that is clearly obvious, especially in this day and age.
     
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    Why? I've already stated numerous times that I don't support the NFL firing players for protesting the national anthem and disagree with the President for saying that they should be fired. It was noted in the first post I made in this thread.

    I said that I would fire them if I didn't have the authority to make them stay in the locker room out of sight. The question was asked of what would I personally do, and that's the answer. It doesn't mean what I would do is "right", it's simply what I would do. I'd criticize any team owner who fired a player for no other reason than the fact that they kneel during the national anthem. It's not the right decision to make even though it's the one I'd make knowing myself.

    Sort of like how I always tell my buddy whose a cop that he's a better man than me. I don't have the patience for that line of work I criticize cops who use excessive force all day long but if I were a cop I'd probably end up losing my mind on the first person who caught attitude with me at a traffic stop. Which is exactly why I'm not a cop....Just because I'd do it doesn't mean it's right.
     
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    The idea that anyone in the military has to determine what the civilian population does and how the civilian population behaves is just plain repugnant
     
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    I'm not understanding your argument here...

    Where are you getting the idea that anyone in the military is trying to determine what the civilian population does or how they behave? Are you saying that since I'm in the military I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the behavior of civilians?
     
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    Talking common sense to most liberals is like pissing in the wind

    They have no idea what you are talking about
     
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    You mean like when Joe Biden insisted that guy in wheelchair stand up? By the way how many active NFL football players are in wheel chairs?
     
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    NFL is losing fans due to this behavior and owners have a right to protect their fan base and their business. It's just like a restaurant owner has the right to fire a waiter for being g rude to customers. These players are being rude to fans.
     
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    So if you owned a restaurant and a waiter refused to call an obvious transvestite "mam" instead of sir you wouldn't fire him.
     
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    True, teams have a right to fire the players for acting like this but I don't think teams want to deal with the perpetual firestorm that would follow such a decision from the media. Firing them would almost surely bring more unwanted attention to the team than their kneeling down does currently.

    From a pure business standpoint yes it makes sense to prohibit players from doing this. The NFL is a business and the fans are the customers. Certain NFL teams employees are upsetting their employers customers thus losing their business and money in the process.

    In any normal business if you are an employee who is causing the business to lose customers due to your antics then you'd be fired. But since this is the NFL with huge media coverage and the fact that this has to do with political expression it doesn't become that cut and dry any more unfortunately.
     
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