Trumpism and conspiracy theories: the two inseparable

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Arkanis, Apr 10, 2021.

  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I have only encountered one investigation (in Georgia) and it agrees with you.
     
  2. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know what MTG means.
     
  3. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You are fully aware you've been shown by me, and dozens of other people as well.
     
  4. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And this is an intentional falsehood. I've given you the Attorney Generals investigation summary. No fraud happened in 2020. This is reality. You know this is reality.
     
  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2014
    Messages:
    68,085
    Likes Received:
    17,134
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    What daily Fox news propaganda? Do you watch FOX News out of habit?

    Because of the election, we are not obliged to toss away our Trump flags. Factually I do not own one but do own an American flag. Should I toss out my American flag because Biden was elected?
     
  6. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't and neither do you.
     
  7. rahl

    rahl Banned

    Joined:
    May 31, 2010
    Messages:
    62,508
    Likes Received:
    7,651
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You know it as well as I do as I’ve repeatedly proven to you.
     
  8. ChiCowboy

    ChiCowboy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2015
    Messages:
    23,076
    Likes Received:
    14,142
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you don't know, how can you say there was a bunch of fraud?
     
  9. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There was a bunch of fraud. What I don't know is whether there was enough to turn the election. Nobody knows that.
     
  10. mentor59

    mentor59 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    539
    Trophy Points:
    113
    what a well reasoned and succinctly delivered reply. :blahblah:
     
  11. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And accurate.
     
  12. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2019
    Messages:
    13,884
    Likes Received:
    9,416
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Their own truths? Is that like alternative facts?

    There's is the truth, and there are lies. If one's opinions are based on lies, then they are not valid opinions.
     
    AZ. likes this.
  13. mentor59

    mentor59 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    539
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you are a Trumpist, sure. Up is down, left is right, fact is fiction.
     
  14. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Do YOU @Arkanis believe

    1960 was stolen from NIXON
    in favor of JFK by Democratic party
    powers in Texas & Chicago ?


    Speak clearly into the microphone, Please
    Yes / No, then verbiage




    Moi :oldman:
    If it could happen in 1960 . . .





    AmericanPravda.png
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2021
  15. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    13,572
    Likes Received:
    17,400
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Did Nixon contest the results?

    If so, did he win?
     
  16. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,295
    Likes Received:
    7,606
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    "Yes / No, then verbiage"

    No deflections

    Yes / No
    clearly into the microphone, please
     
  17. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not. I'm just a person who can think past what people tell me to believe.
     
  18. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course. But the point is that many "truths" are just opinions masquerading as the truth. Almost everything political fits that truth. So know, there are not just truths or lies. There are also opinions.
     
  19. mentor59

    mentor59 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2019
    Messages:
    1,247
    Likes Received:
    539
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You should display that here.
     
  20. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    What is it that makes an insult effective in disagreeing with people? It only makes the person insulting look smaller.
     
  21. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Nov 15, 2017
    Messages:
    45,726
    Likes Received:
    26,789
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Marjorie Greene.

    You do know every post you write proves the OP's assertion, right?
     
  22. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2019
    Messages:
    13,884
    Likes Received:
    9,416
    Trophy Points:
    113
    There are facts. There are always facts. I don't think I can state it any clearer, but let me try an analogy.

    Let's say that you and a couple of coworkers are in the break room getting coffee, and someone brings up the fact that the new manager of widget production is a pretty young woman, and rumor has it that she got the management position because she slept with the boss. Jokes are made, resentments expressed, and you come away with the opinion that the new widget manager is a slut. Months go by with you having this opinion of her, then you find out that the rumors were bee ess and she got that job through hard work and dedication, and she's actually a good person.

    For months, your opinion of her was based on false information. Was it a valid opinion? I think not.
     
  23. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course not. But what you have provided is opinion, not facts. You say there was no fraud. There is always fraud. You have an opinion. Can we stop this carousel now?
     
  24. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2019
    Messages:
    13,884
    Likes Received:
    9,416
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You still aren't following me.

    I base my opinions on facts. I don't rely on a single source, I don't get everything from a liberal echo chamber, and until something is proven to be true, I doubt.

    For example, all the kerfuffle going on around Matt Gaetz has him nearly convicted in public, but he hasn't been charged with a crime yet, so I have no opinion about his guilt.

    For another example, the facts surrounding the initial outbreak of COVID-19 are contradictory: originated from bats and jumped to humans due to crowding of exotic animals at a "wet" market in Wuhan? Or escaped from a lab in Wuhan? There are good arguments in both directions, but I can't form an opinion with conflicting facts, so I wait.

    On the other end of that spectrum, we have people who are totally convinced that Trump won the election and that it was stolen from him, based on zero evidence, other than "Trump said so." In fact, all evidence is to the contrary, and more than 60 court cases were tossed. Those who insist on believing The Big Lie have invalid opinions about the election results.
     
    ChiCowboy likes this.
  25. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2009
    Messages:
    38,381
    Likes Received:
    14,787
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And you aren't following me. Many "facts" are opinions disguised as truth.
     

Share This Page