Trump's Last Stand is Tonight

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  1. cerberus

    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The stark fact is that you need him, only you haven't realised it yet. You will though! Probably when it's too late!!
     
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    When I need a petulant, mendacious, egomaniacal lowlife, I doubt that I'll have any difficulty in finding one.
     
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    Is that you, Donald...?
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Could be Trump - or Jill Stein.

    “Jill Stein on Twitter: The DNC had already selected Clinton before the primary began. Every vote for Clinton is a rubber stamp for elitist corruption.” #DNCLeak mobile.twitter.com
    Submitted 3 days ago by News2016
    8 commentsshare

    https://www.reddit.com/r/jillstein/comments/57uc6e/jill_stein_on_twitter_the_dnc_had_already/

    Or any objective opponent of the corrupt entrenched political establishment.
     
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    I’m a registered Independent, and I don’t like either of our presidential candidates. If either party had had the sense to nominate a decent candidate, they would have won the presidency in a landslide.

    That said, it’s extremely hard to like a ‘man’ like trump who proves he is thoroughly despicable every time he opens his big mouth. His own words (and public records) have proven that he is a misogynist, a racist, a bully, a coward, a fraud, a person who cheats those who do business with him, a whiner, a ‘man’ who respects nothing and no one, a sexual preditor, and a national joke. Is that really the kind of person you could respect? Is that someone you would want representing you to the world? Are you really saying America can do no better, and deserves no better, in its political leaders?
     
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    It's odd that so many held trump in high regard and never accused him of any of those thing until he ran for the presidency.
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here's something that seems to have shocked the CNN reporter.

    [video=youtube;_TZt0xcunG4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TZt0xcunG4[/video]
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's what 67% of America thinks.
     
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    Yes. Well, he's been speaking non-stop for the last year, or more. In fact, once he opens his big mouth, he seems unable to stop speaking. His own words are easily available to anyone who cares to do a simple search. Through his own actions and words, Trump has destroyed his own reputation, in the view of many people. In the future, I doubt that many people will hold Trump in "high regard".
     
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    Neither of them is a prize, by any stretch. I've never liked Hillary or Donald.

    But, Trump walks around in a disgusting, stinking, sh!t-filled, black cloud that he, himself, created. If you want to know about a man, listen to what he says. And, everyone listens to what the presidential nominee of a major party says -- unfortunately, for the Orange Man.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/195374/clinton-trump-favorable-ratings-remain-deflated.aspx

    Today's low favorable ratings for the major party candidates mean that their unfavorable ratings are correspondingly high: 58% for Clinton and 62% for Trump. Clinton's unfavorable rating matches her campaign high, recorded during the Republican convention. Trump's is slightly below his record high, 66%, last reached in April during the competitive phase of the Republican primaries.
     
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    Again Trump blew Hillary out of the water. That's a fairly impressive last stand. Out of three presidential debates Trump won two and very nearly pulled to a draw on the first one. In debate one and two Trump was not only battling Hillary but the leftist moderators who were openly campaigning for Hillary. So as last stands go, that's not too shabby.
     
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    IOW, you like politicians. ;-)

    Most of the charges against Trump are frivolous nonsense.
     
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    "You like politicians"??? That's a little silly, isn't it? The very fact that we have leaders means we have politicians. Are you an anarchist? Let me know, because that would lead us in a very different direction.

    And, no, Trump's acts and words against women, minorities, the disabled, parents of soldiers who died fighting for our country, disparagement of our democratic system, statements concerning firing our generals, inability to stick to policy for more than a couple days - this list goes on and on.

    And, it very definitely is NOT frivolous nonsense.

    They make him unfit to govern our nation.
     
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    IOW, as I pointed out, you like professional politicians.

    The charges against Trump are either obvious late election cycle slander, or irrelevant or both.
     
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    As opposed to amateurs???

    America is hugely complex. We are the leaders of the free world even though we have only 5% of earth's population. You bet I want professionals - the very best we can find.

    While more info keeps coming up even now, these issues with Trump have been around from the very beginning.

    And, no, his bigotry and hate speech are not just relevant but hugely important in making this decision we face.

    Beyond that, he's been uniformly pathetic when it comes to policy, doing little more than had waves, ignoring actual analysis, and with a complete inability to hold a direction on any issue. We can NOT afford a president like that.
     
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    Your choice. Don't say I didn't warn you though! :blankstare:
     
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    IOW, you like professional politicians. Your arguments against Trump empty unsupported election cycle rhetoric - sound and fury.

    In fact, professional politicians tend to be very dishonest. The Clintons dishonesty is now well documented.

    “Liberal groups and activists are assembling opposition research-style dossiers of the most dismissive comments in the WikiLeaks emails about icons of their movement like Clinton’s Democratic primary rival Bernie Sanders, and their stances on trade, Wall Street reform, energy and climate change. And some liberal activists are vowing to use the email fodder to oppose Clinton policy proposals or appointments deemed insufficiently progressive. “We were already kind of suspicious of where Hillary’s instincts were, but now we see that she is who we thought she was,” said one influential liberal Democratic operative.”

    Some of the left’s most influential voices and groups are taking offense at the way they and their causes were discussed behind their backs by Clinton and some of her closest advisers in the emails, which swipe liberal heroes and causes as “puritanical,” “pompous”, “naive”, “radical” and “dumb,” calling some “freaks,” who need to “get a life.”

    WikiLeaks poisons Hillary’s relationship with left
    After learning how Clinton feels about them, liberals vow to push back against her agenda and appointments, By KENNETH P. VOGEL, 10/21/16.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/wikileaks-hilary-clinton-progressives-230009

    Crooked professional politicians are not there to help anyone outside the political class.
     
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    You need to reign it in. Your diatribe is makes it nearly impossible to discuss any of the concerns you seem to have.

    The bottom line is that we need those who are skilled, wise and serious in positions of high government. Electing amatures and diletantes is a monumentally catastrophic idea.

    Plus, your definition of professional makes no sense. I suspect you just mean those you don't like. Clinton has been a Senator and SecState. That can not possibly be bad.
     
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    I cite Politico to reveal the current political reality and you find a "diatribe".

    “Getting Rich has become the great bipartisan ideal: “No Democrats and Republicans in Washington anymore, only millionaires”, goes the maxim. The ultimate Green party. You still hear the term “public service” thrown around, but often with irony and full knowledge that “self-service” is now the real insider play.” Mark Leibovich, This Town, Penguin Books, 2013, p. 9.

    Is that a "diatribe"?

    “Stein argued that a Clinton presidency will simply be the continuation(*)of the policies supported by(*)Washington’s “uniparty,” which is(*)controlled by special interest donors–and will not in any way advance the goals of liberal progressives.”

    “Unlike the Democrats and Republicans, we don’t cuddle up to Wall Street and special interests with our ‘public’ and ‘private’ positions,” Stein added in a separate tweet, referring to the recent WikiLeaks revelation that Hillary Clinton said that politicians need to have(*)“both a public and private position” on every issue: Dr. Jill Stein, “Green Party’s Jill Stein Tells Progressives: ‘Don’t Waste Your Vote on Corporate Democrats’ Who Betray You”, by JULIA HAHN, 13 Oct 2016.

    http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...aste-vote-corporate-democrats-who-betray-you/

    You need to do more research into Clinton - start with WikiLeaks.
     

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