Trump's path to victory in 2024!

Wait a second... Huh? The dems wouldn't accept a bi-partisan committee in which Trump offered himself as the first witness to declare under oath? That would be even MORE devastating for Democrats.

I would ask "are you serious?", but I already know you can't be.

 

If Trump did this would you vote him? If you would then I agree with you and still think it is a sad reflection of America. Policy no longer matters.

 

And there will be more, until he is forced to answer under oath. In your case, it's clear you don't believe he's innocent. So the question was for anybody who DID think he was.

 

Trump's path to victory in 2023: Republicans take over the House, they decide to make Trump speaker of the House, and then we have a few impeachments and investigations where the Republican House can abuse their power just as much as the Democratic House has been abusing their power. Then, poof, Trump is the president in 2023.

 

The Mueller investigation is still ongoing. But what will happen is that either Trump goes to prison, and justice is served, or he won't, and we will no longer be able to claim to be a nation of laws. At which point Biden will be able to commit any crimes he wants, and so will the next and the next Democrat in the WH. And Trump loyalists will have no credibility if they complain, because they aren't complaining now, when we can still stop this from happening.

My answer to any Trump loyalist when they accuse any Democrat in the WH will be: "YOU let it happen"

 

I probably wouldn't vote for him. But earning my vote shouldn't be his motivator. Earning the vote of countless others should be. He would very likely win the independent vote, and the image of Democrats running for Congress would be tarnished for generations. IF he's innocent, of course.

 

You're not answering the question. That indicates you believe he's guilty, but are too embarrassed to admit the guy you have rooted for all this time is a criminal.

 

No. I won't capitulate to that because a huge problem we're seeing here is some of these people have NO clue what they are talking about. They are just repeating BS they here in whatever media sources they use.

Therefore, I believe it's important that we don't conflate terms situationally. That's a flip-flop game they like to play and it's dysfunctional.

Legally, "not guilty" means the prosecutor did not have enough to prove a Defendant did whatever he or she has been accused of doing.

"Innocent" means that it's been proven the person did NOT commit whatever they are accused of doing.

This is why courts only use "guilty" or "not guilty". In the eyes of the law, "innocent" isn't involved. ​

Trump has already caused irreparable damage and he thrives on chaos and destruction. The fact that his <whatever you want to call them> think that he is being targeted unfairly has us very close to civil war.

We have all witnessed his silence during the Capitol riot. He's not man enough to tell his supporters that it's time to work with what we've got and move on. He can't do it. He's too big a coward to tell them that he lost the election legitimately. It should be a wake up call to some of them that their penultimate choice would rather burn this country down than make that one statement aloud. If that's not enough proof that he is anti-America, nothing will convince them.

Yes, that's where we're headed. Yesterday is probably the last time any of us could celebrate the birth of our country and soon we will have to mourn its death.

The whole thing is the exact same playbook before Hitler rose to power and they don't know that history or they would recognize what's really happening.

RIP USA

 

If his testimony under oath, that he had no intentions of impeding an official act, has no sway over your vote I would have to assume that there are more important policy issues influencing your decision.

Why do you assume that independents don't think the same way?

 

I told you how I see it. Perhaps you can rebut my remarks instead of just saying, "You know nothing, Jon Snow."

The Republicans are already going to get full control of the House and very well could gain full control of the Senate, in spite of the narrative produced by the 1/6 Committee. Trump is already set to win the Presidency, if he chooses to run. And the American People don't care about the House narrative.

So, tell me what I don't know. And try not to repeat what you said in your OP.

 

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I understand. The terms are not the same, but it makes no difference when the person is actually guilty.

I think that's a bit far. But yes, he has divided this country like nobody else has.

It's the playbook just about every dictator has followed. He's tried to follow the Hugo Chavez model. It's not working, though. And it won't work for him. But it is a trial-error experience for the NEXT dictator wannabe. It did do a lot of damage to the country anyway.

 

I wouldn't vote for him for many reasons. The main one (not counting his criminal activity aside) being that he is incompetent and has the emotional maturity of a 12 year old. I don't regard independents as people who are typically very informed about policy in general. They more frequently vote on general emotional feelings rather than on a well thought-out analysis. And the emotional feeling that doing what the OP describes would influence them more than it should.

 

Great series!

If you have anything to comment about any topic other than the one this thread is intended for (hint: cristal ball predictions about Congress is not it), you are more than welcome to open a thread. And if I have something to comment, I would do it there.

What you apparently don't know is that trying to derail the thread instead of answering the question only indicates that you understand that Trump is a criminal, but you are not ready to admit it. Problem is, that's what this thread is FOR. To understand the position of people who really do believe he's innocent. And your attempts to change the subject are actually making your resistance to admit that you don't believe he is more obvious.

 

Biden is guilty of big things and we know it.

Starting a war by provoking the Ukrainian puppet president Zelenskyiii into crossing Putin's red line,

Starving the nation of fuel by reducing supply instead of demand. This led to inflation and rising interest rates which will put many companies in jeopardy.

Bringing 2 million Southern Mexico and Central American refugees into the country.

Give us almost anyone but Biden. No, not Hillary, she's more of the same.

Donald Trump's not perfect but he's a lot better than many people realize.

 

i'm picturing the famous oliver north with his hand raised to take the oath but with trump wearing the general bonespurs regalia.

now that we know trump gave matt gaetz a secret medal of freedom, do you think the king of participation trophies could resist giving himself one?

 

It is hard for me to dispute what you are saying because you are giving me nothing concrete to work with. There certainly have been studies that suggest true independents are less concerned with political issues. You also state they more frequently vote on feelings which again I cannot refute. BUT given those two statements together wouldn't it suggest these same independents are less likely to care what Trump says under oath since that committee by nature would be political and if they are to vote on feeling would not more overriding issues such as inflation, shootings, housing cost, crime, jobs, go further to forming their "feeling based" vote since that plays a bigger part of their day to day lives than a 30 second video clip on 24/7 news? I know your statements are based on opinion but my gut tells me that very few independents would switch their vote to Trump based on him simply saying that "he had no intention to impede an official process" given everything else that is happening in America. Why don't you test it out and ask some independents. Give them that exact statement and see if they say that did it. I will now vote for Trump. That is what made up my mind.

 

between trump and desantis? i'd vote for a different florida snake....

 

you are wrong yangforward! dear leader must be perfect!

 

Guilty of what? Trying to grab a steering wheel because he was being denied his right to be free and to be where he wants to be?

 

So, you're just going to throw away our entire system based on overwrought emotions? Nearly 500 pages and no skilled lawyer could put a case to together ON ANYTHING. Dude, there's a message there.

Pure drivel and childish petulance.

You've become totally adrift! Stage 4 mental vapor lock.

 

Don't claim to know my feelings or beliefs. We have a legal system - you don't just drag someone into court force him to swear in and try him.

 

I don't know what third world communist country you live in.... but in my America it is "innocent until proven guilty"...

 

Likely it's pinned to his bullet proof vest as we speak. He's also known to wear other people's medals, what a shill he is..

 

Oh, they would like the committee idea, but if he said he wasn't guilty- regardless of supporting testimony or evidence, they would call that BS and a cover up and make that a new crime.
Then they would call it a conspiracy among the republican members too, and try to indict them in the press with that, just as they have Trump.
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Do you really think that people are all so stupid as to not recognize what's going on here? After a while you realize that some people are simply not capable of playing fair, and the only smart move is to not play with them at all- shut them out of everything. Once enough people reach this point of recognition and realize they can't change this hateful mindset, they will quit trying, and quit tolerating it. The dems and lefties who have abandoned honor and values will be persona non grata to the rest of the nation. Can't happen soon enough. If you can't play FOR the team, you don't get to be ON the team- including team America. Can't kick them out of the country, but shutting them out of many of it's benefits is not hard. I already know places where any person who brings any of the trash ideologies to the workplace- just once- aren't working there anymore. No woke, no BLM, no multi-gender, no distortion of the language- no politics.

As the saying goes you can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time.... but you can't fool all the people all the time.
Of course, the left doesn't believe that and they keep on trying, just as you do.

 

Well until I see evidence of a crime, I'm going to assume he's not guilty. Since you obviously think he's a walking felony, what federal charge do you think he'll be charged with?