Try to convince me that President Trump is not right about Nato

Sure, let’s quit NATO, then next time we fight a Middle Eastern war to protect “America’s interests” the soldiers whose lives lives would be saved by the hosptial at Landstuhl will just die instead. Our troops can rely on sea based logistics instead of being able to route cargo aircraft through Ramstein. We can try to collect intelligence in European without JAC Molesworth or of our other bases. Let us try and protect America from nuclear attack without the radars in Canada and Greenland.

Yeah we get nothing.

 

Only .0016% of our GDP goes to NATO’s defense. 30 billion dollars a year.

Compared with the rest of NATO spending a combined $250 billion.

In terms of direct payments to NATO for shared equipment, those are based on GNI. The US pays 22% because we make up 22% of the total GNI of NATO.

 

I actually think he's right on this issue. He should have been more professional and diplomatic in his delivery though. That's really what has everyone up in arms. Some things need to be read between the lines.

 

We can fly non-stop to just about anywhere in the world.

 

We “can”. We don’t usually. And when you are talking about wounded soldiers in need of immediate critical care, extra hours of flying can mean life or death.

 

Where are you getting your numbers because they disagree with everything I can find?

 

Well then, we should not depend on Landstuhl, because it is a long way from everything, except Western Europe. We usually take our immediate critical care with us. Lanstuhl is usually the second stop on the way home.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/what-good-is-nato.537227/

The US only spending $30 billion a year on NATO’s defense. If we bulk that up to what we spend directly on the defense of Canada and the territory of the US itself, maybe $150 billion. Still even that number is only .8% of the US’s GDP.

 

Landstuhl is only a couple hours flying time from Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. The hospitals and airbases in NATO countries have been critical to US warfighting in the last 20 years.

 

I don't think our transport aircraft are supersonic and that is what it would take to fly from Iraq to Ramstein in two hours.

Take another look at your graph and look at the labels. The number you are quoting is direct spending. All the sources I can find show our support to NATO at 3.6%. I guess you could compare our total spending of 600 billion vs their 240 billion.

 

Its not even subtle.

I've enjoyed reading about the differences between eastern and western diplomacy/politics.

Shinzo is outclassing her in every way.

Its hilarious.

Good catch btw-thats the type of insight a lefty would completely miss.

 

Great post.

Theres also the fact that Germany is paying Russia for its oil.

Paying its potential adversary.

Tangentially, here is a young (east German) Merkle.

 

Heil Merkle!!!!!!!!

 

Why do European countries need the US at all?

Unlike us they are not afraid of everyone.

 

They are just afraid of the fact that the US might not be their to protect them. We saved their asses twice in the last century.

 

Das Merkle.

 

Well. that about sums up the isolationist world view!

We know how well that turned out the last time we tried it. And spare us the drivel about the world being a different place. Putin is no different than Stalin was.

 

Reasons why Trump is wrong about NATO:

1. The Military Industrial Complex will be less profitable.
2. The Democrat Socialists of America want NATO now that the USSR has transformed into a more Capitalist Russian Federation, now that is logical isn't it?
3, The EU likes having USA pay 50% of the total cost.
4. The Germans might start building U boats again and try to sink American merchant ships
5. Soros needs shipping lanes in the Mediterranean Sea protected so that more African and Muslim immigrants can flood into Europe.
6. The USA may get another NeoCon President like GW Bush and wish to invade Iraq again.
7. China may become a threat.. so NATO will be needed to defend the Pacific Ocean too and launch nuclear missiles during the Battle of Armageddon.
8. Globalist Billionaires prefer that American working class and middle class citizens pay for their merchant ships to be protected by the Worlds Largest Navy.

 

Your coming around. Now consider NATO = North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
How much of our "stuff" is in the South China Sea or the Mediterranean?
Some one had it right earlier. How much would you cut the US military budget if the EU put another 200 billion into defense.

 

Sometimes it is time to call in the cards in a organization. They need NATO much more than we. That will guarantee they will ante up. It's just that the American Political Establishment ( the swamp) never wanted to rock the boat because they have globalist and $$$$ aspirations.

 

Good points but we had another significant benefit-we prevented aggressive (and socialist) euros from going into wars that involved the entire globe.

Even if backwards Russia wants to be backwards Russia.

 

I can't for one! To think of all the years that previous PsOTUS have been laughed at by the defaulters for not saying anything about it?? They've probably been thinking 'Suckers!'

 

Its time for us all to get real.

 

You should've got real 3 or 4 decades ago.