UK: Teacher who showed Cartoon of Prophet Muhammad Fears He And His Family Will Be Killed

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  1. Space_Time

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    It's not really clear why he showed the cartoons. That was probably not a good idea in this political climate. Will he survive:
     
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    Total double standards. You go back 40 years, in the 1980s, imagine if a public teacher was sacked for saying something that seemed blasphemous to Christianity. It would never have happened, would have been ludicrous.

    But now the progressive establishment has had to adapt and bend over backwards to accommodate muslim sensibilities.
     
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    Why should a person be afraid of being killed over a cartoon? It's because the Islamic religion requires blasphemy be punished by death. What a religion, eh? Put me down as an Islamophobe then.
     
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    There is nothing in the religion that says blasphemy should even be punished. In fact blasphemy started within Christianity and was adopted by some Islamic countries during the British imperialism
     
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    Considering the fact that 17 people were killed in 2015 for this very same issue, I would say it didn't show the best judgment on the part of the teacher. And unless he was living under a rock at that time, he has no right to whine about his own safety.
     
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    There was also a teacher beheaded recently in France.

    If this teacher has to be afraid of that, it's not only because of some zealots, there is also a would range of traitors and helpers that enable that.
     
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    Are you sure? This case happened in 1977; http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/11/newsid_2499000/2499721.stm

    The blasphemous libel laws were eventually repealed in 2008. It's also worth noting that they only ever protected Christians.
     
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    When you have Religious Islamic radicals looking for an excuse to Die in the name of Muhammad, just so they can get their 72 Virgins, probably not a good idea. Muslims don't give a **** about their own lives, but they Do give a **** about their Holy shrines, If this Teacher had his Finger on the Trigger to a Nuke that would Blow up Mecca if they tried to chop his Head off, he could show all the Goofy Muhammad Cartoons he wanted, because they'd be terrified he'd destroy their Holiest places.
     
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    the bottom of the barrel of religions strikes again. 4kgeuh.jpg
     
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    Blasphemy not punished under Islam? Somebody should tell that to the religious police in Saudi Arabia. You know the birthplace of Islam.
     
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    https://www.reviewofreligions.org/5002/what-is-the-punishment-for-blasphemy-in-islam/

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...istan-muslims-islam-truth-quran-a7731896.html

    http://www.muhammadfactcheck.org/?m...ad-sa-taught-death-for-apostasy-and-blasphemy

    https://www.islamicity.org/4274/is-blaspheme-punishable-by-death-in-islam/
     
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    You publish a cartoon in France critical of Mohammad (Charlie Hebdo) and some little cockroach will crawl out the woodwork and kill as many people as they can. It's the Islamic code they all believe in it they only pretend like they don't.
     
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    Ah, teacher become student. A little preview of developed cancel culture.
     
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    Probably

    There is always somebody who resorts to violence in a massive group. While others just join in on the cancel culture.
    And it's not as if Muslims invented the cancel culture. Everybody is in on it in the west.
     
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    That's mostly right. However, not all groups tend to have the most trend to answer with violence, to take a consensual example : neo nazis are far more likely to resort to violence that a community of catholic monks lost in the countryside.
    If you may find violent individuals in every group, you won't find the same share of them in every groups.

    |quote]While others just join in on the cancel culture.
    And it's not as if Muslims invented the cancel culture. Everybody is in on it in the west.[/QUOTE]

    That's also true.

    It depend however do you qualify "cancel culture", the jurisprudence for blasphemy and apostasy in Islam is death, that's quite a way to be "cancelled" and today, Islam is the only religion that keep punishing to death apostasy and blasphemy.
     
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    In my opinion, generally it is not so much that Christians and secularists value life greater than do Muslims. But that they dare not succumb to the base impulses and embrace the darkness necessary to violently take life, which would murder the light within themselves, and become strangers to God. In short, murdering a sadistic cartoonist, one must first murder God or the goodness within oneself in a feeble attempt to then end the wickedness about us. It is a foolish trade.

    Self preservation is a basic, built in characteristic and command of/in life itself. Consequently, self defense is perfectly reasonable. But when it comes to murder or vengeance for the sake of insult, as in Muslims murdering sadistic cartoonists, it is presuming to take a liberty not given, by virtue of ones offended value, far and away from self defense.

    Injustice should draw one closer to God for comfort and understanding as to how to deal with the wickedness in life. But the recognizance of wickedness, as in being repulsed by a cartoonists sadistic drawing, is not our automatic or personal empowerment to vengeance. Mans vengeance is a right stolen from God, spurred by pride and an over estimation of ones own importance. And yet this wayward drama unfolds daily under the eyes of a quiet and all powerful God. Clearly while we are in the making, our adversary is claiming his own.

    The adversary's intent via our conduct is fixable, but we must do it ourselves. We must repent of false pride. We must draw close to God or the goodness within ourselves and abide. We must forgive. We must cease the theft of vengeance and false authority. We must cease murdering. We must abide and bear and believe and have faith. We must do good and bless, being proactive in peace rather than war which only sets peace afire. And raise the standard of the God or goodness whom we all know to be the endless horizon of hope, springing up within us, bearing sweet fruit and the warmth of love forgotten.

    Sorry if this sounds presumptuous, pious or overly religious. I'm just groping along, trying to understand.
     
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    Mohammad cartoons are a dime a dozen on the deep web these days. Have you seen the one where Mo is having relations with a goat?

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    I think you've missed the point.
     
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    Catholic monks apply their own violence, beating kids in submission to be raped. And the entire North Ireland theme reveals that they don't really shun violence when pushed for it.

    So what.
    Plenty of Jews kill for the idea that they are the chosen people by God in order to take greater Israel.
    Plenty of Christians agree that the land should belong to the Jews for the same reason.
    That too is rather unique, but still "just" a religious thing.
     
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    Violence is human, different ideologies tend to encourage or discourage it. Furthermore, the christian dogma never encouraged what you did, even if the indifference, and even the fact they actively hid that is pretty horrific. But you can pretend that the christian dogm encouraged at it, at best we can study the hypothesis that the pressure on chastity vow and taboo on sex is unhealthy and led to that kind of horrific events.

    There is obviously a link between muslims believing God law is to punish blasphemy by death and killing people.

    Considering Israel, that's not the matter on that, and by the way yes I agree that killing people because you consider to be "chosen" isn't something very moral to do.
     
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    No, he has every right to whine about his own safety, this is the UK, we do not threaten to murder people who offend others. I am sick of my friends on the left acquiescing to religious nutters who think their religious inclinations top our secular laws. I campaigned against the blasphemy laws in this country I am not going to sit back and allow them to be reimposed by the back door of threats and community pressure. The left is tearing itself apart trying to appease minority groups and making itself unelectable allowing the most right wing and dangerous government into power in my lifetime. We need to declare our principles and stand by them regardless of what minorities we offend.
     
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    An "infidel" says something is an image of someone who was never painted or had an image made of him and the "faithful" believe this "infidel"? Who is kidding whom?
     
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    Its not JUST to accomodate muslims, its to accomodate everybody. You cant say a bad word about White Jewish Europeans or queers either but ibet irs only the brown muslim you think shouldnt have this protection, right?
     
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    You got totally smashed by truth and justice and you cant even admit youre wrong.

    Lets be fair..if you say a bad word about white nationalists then some cockroach will crawl out the woodwork and murder dozens. Or better still, say a bad word about a white nationalists daddy and hell invade your country and murder hundreds of thousands (bush and iraq).

    It called white privilege, a code most whites believe in.
     
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