Ukrainian military deliberately executed over 10 Russian POWs

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    now for some truth

     
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    No need for hypocrisy. The truth is always better.
    And the truth is that Ukrainians are genetically weak-minded sadists. Even scientists confirm this.
    Nations depend on natural living conditions. It is a fact. For example, southern nations are more impulsive than northern nations. This is due to the climate and the historical way of survival.
    Ukrainians live in a region with a large iodine deficiency. Ask any doctor what the absence of iodine means for the development of intelligence. He will explain to you and show you textbooks - iodine deficiency leads to dementia. Ukrainians have been living in such a region for many generations. And just as a bison cannot be born from a giraffe, a genius cannot be born from many generations of iodine-deficient creatures.
    The intellectual inferiority of Ukrainians breeds aggression towards more successful nations in terms of development. What we see in the behavior of Ukrainians.
    Read about the Telerhof concentration camp. Read who the main executioners were in this camp.
    Read about the Volyn massacre and who did it. Read about Babi Yar and who did it....etc.

    And I'm not saying that all Ukrainians are sadists. Of course there are all sorts of instances. But we're talking in general terms. For example, we say - the French gesticulate a lot, but you understand that not all French gesticulate a lot. But if we consider the nation collectively, then the French gesticulate a lot.
    It's the same with Ukrainians. Although the term "masochism" has Ukrainian roots (by the way, it is also a mental deviation. It is such an iodine deficiency), but sadism is more defining for them.

    One example.
    Name me at least one nation, except for the Ukrainians, whose representatives arrived in a foreign country in droves, smeared themselves with manure, painted themselves in national colors, blocked the streets and yelled that everyone owed them.
    The wild tribes of the Amazon delta or Africa or Asia do not do this. For example, in African countries, wars have been going on for centuries, there are many refugees, but none of them do what the Ukrainians do.
    Arabs and Jews in the Middle East have been fighting for thousands of years, but no one, having arrived in Europe, smears himself with manure and screams that everyone owes him.
    Only Ukrainians. The reason is iodine deficiency at the genetic level.
     
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    The propagandists will always lie and deny even when you post the full truth. Also, the Geneva convention explicitly says anyone involved in a false surrender have all protections removed because attempting a false surrender attack is classified as a war crime.

    The Ukrainians did exactly what the Geneva Convention said should happen.
     
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    Yup....and absolutely no sources/links to backup your absurd claim....any other fantasies purveyor of delusions?
     
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    And you're evidence that they did a "false surrender" as outlined by the Geneva Convention is?
     
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    Well obviously lying on your stomach with your hands to your back is a "false surrender".
     
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    Only the naive think atrocities only happen on one side. I stand against it no matter the perpetrator.
     
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    Melitopol,Mariupol....then Sevastopol ....Bill?
     
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    About iodine deficiency in Ukraine. World Health Ranking. https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/ukraine-iodine-deficiency

    Links to the Volyn massacre, about Tolerhof, about the massacre in Babi Yar .... about the burned villages ... etc. are needed?
    Or will you find it yourself?
    Clue. For example, the Volyn massacre. Open Google - pictures - Volyn massacre .... and enjoy, as is typical of Ukrainians.
     
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    The video as you well know which shows a hidden Russian soldier opening fire then the other fake surrendering soldiers jumping up and joining in to fight. Cut and dried, as you well know, but you deliberately ignore that entire half of the video.
     
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    That account seems to deliberately ignore everything....typical MO of these agents ....just keep tossing out their drivel...with dubious links, and ignoring facts.

    Fact is now....the buggers are dead....since they played with fire.

    Maybe their mothers will visit Putlerstan?.....and Dwarfstan will say...."we share your pain"?:laughing:
     
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    The MSM who lies by default? Or it lies only when Russian bots don't like information from these MSM, but as soon there is something what they want to see, they are running around with it as the ultimate source of truth? :D
     
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    Can you look past your bias and use some common sense

    Look at these 2 videos again.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1593614525768601601

    In this video. It shows Russian soldiers surrendering. Then you hear gunshots. You can't tell who openeded fire.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1593614493841489920

    Now look at this video. The Russian soldiers who were unarmed and laying down on the ground were still unarmed and laying down. Jist dead. In the exact same position. So. They didn't "jump up and join the fight".

    Let's say, that some Russians who didn't want to surrender resisted. That doesn't justify killing the unarmed ones laying down on the ground in surrender.

    But war is war. I honestly don't care much for soldiers being killed. On either side.

    I personally think that Geneva Convention is the dumbest crap ever. As it relates to troops. What does it matter how how you kill someone when the effect is the same? Death.
     
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    Lend Lease to USSR started in 1941. German army in Stalingrad were defeated after 2 years, in 1943. You have problems with simple chronology.

    Why should they, Germany was not able to defeat Britain alone in 1940?British fleet and air force was superior to German.

    How many forces Japanizes would be able to commit to this ground invasion in 150 000 million country across the ocean and thousands km from their bases? 1000 troops? :D
     
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    Lend Lease is a broad term that encompasses all nations supplied by the US. Not just Russia.

    And while the program began in 1941, US didn't start to supply Russians until much later.

    the rest of the post is hot garbage
     
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    "Hot garbage" is your best argument? Man, you can go to professors of history :D

    And lends lease to USSR started in 1941. But even before that there was British help to USSR and ~ 200 Matilda II tanks took apart in Battle for Moscow in 1941. You just don't know your countries' history.
     
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    Sorry. I don't live in Russia or Britain

    And the help from Britain didn't make it

    1942, Winston Churchill, accompanied by American W. Averell Harriman, went to Moscow and met Stalin for the first time. The British were nervous that Stalin and Hitler might make separate peace terms; Stalin insisted that would not happen. Churchill explained how Arctic convoys bringing munitions to Russia had been intercepted by the Germans

    By the time that any actual supplies arrived, Russia had already launched their counter assault
     
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    Just try to talk about things you know, professor.

    The Soviet Army had formed six tank battalions by late November 1941 out of 20 Matildas and 97 Valentines, or the “British Mk.3” as they called it. These battalions were deployed on the Western Front for the defense of Moscow. The 146th Tank Brigade (146-ya tankovaya brigada) of the 16th Army fought here. This brigade consisted of two tank battalions with a total of 40 Valentines and two Matildas. The first unit to be equipped with the Matilda was the 136th Separate Tank Battalion (136-y otdelniy tankoviy batal’on).

    https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/soviet/matilda-ii-in-soviet-service
     
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    Operation Barbarossa And Germany's Failure In The Soviet Union

    WHY OPERATION 'BARBAROSSA' FAILED
    Operation 'Barbarossa' had clearly failed. Despite the serious losses inflicted on the Red Army and extensive territorial gains, the mission to completely destroy Soviet fighting power and force a capitulation was not achieved.

    One of the most important reasons for this was poor strategic planning. The Germans had no satisfactory long-term plan for the invasion. They mistakenly assumed that the campaign would be a short one, and that the Soviets would give in after suffering the shock of massive initial defeats. Hitler had assured the High Command that 'We have only to kick in the front door and the whole rotten edifice will come tumbling down'. But Russia was not France. The shock value of the initial Blitzkrieg was dissipated by the vast distances, logistical difficulties and Soviet troop numbers, all of which caused attritional losses of German forces which could not be sustained.


    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/operation-barbarossa-and-germanys-failure-in-the-soviet-union

    Not once in this entire history lesson on why Germany failed was the lend Lease program brought up. Because all though it helped. It didn't amount to much in the large sheme of things. The greatest help came in the form of aircraft. But even that was limited because of the vast inexperience of Russian pilots. Russia simply didn't have a robust airforce.
     
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    Yep....that's what turned the tide for the Sovs....is that Lend Lease....poor Koba was screaming at FDR in early/late 41 for aid....but US was occupied with the Japs and Pearl Harbor....Molotov visited FDR and George C Marshall in 42 , just before Stalingrad for supplies....otherwise the Sovs were basically f***ed.:)

    Maybe it hasn't occurred to you...but those Katushkas rocket launchers.....almost 70% or so of the trucks were Ford Studebakers....otherwise the Muscovites would've had to strap those rockets on their heads.:)
     
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    Yep....just another websites opinion I guess. There's lots of those.....just like Wikipedia....lotsa dubious "contributions" to facts in there from questionable sources.
     
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    Facts are irrelevant to Russki bots....
     
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    There is something about that part if the world that wipes itself out by millions at a time. Revolutions, WW2 style punishment of populations.
    On the bright side, we are exposing Russia to be an ineffective military, Iran has come out if the closet, and China is getting a hard lesson in “Contested invasion 1A”, and the “Bleep! Where did they get those?” of a contested battle-space”.
     
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    Those tanks were practically useless. They were far less superior than their Germans counter part. But it's better than nothing I guess.

    "This does not mean that our major allies—except for the revived French army which was almost completely equipped under lend-lease—were mainly dependent on American supplies. It has been estimated that lend-lease provided only 10 percent of British war equipment, and certainly a lesser proportion of Soviet materiel."

    https://www.historians.org/about-ah...ch-of-what-goods-have-we-sent-to-which-allies


    But yeh. It turned the tides so much. Lend Lease program started 3 months before operation Barbarossa. Let's see how much it helped.

    The Germans got off to a good start, with the panzer groups quickly pushing towards their objectives and Russian forces falling apart in confusion. They were greatly helped by the Luftwaffe's bombing of Soviet airfields, artillery positions and troop concentrations. The Germans quickly established air superiority. On the first day alone 1,800 Soviet aircraft were destroyed, most of them on the ground. Army Group North, under Field Marshal Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb, plunged towards Leningrad, with General Erich Hoepner's Panzer Group 4 in the lead. Russian forces in this sector were thinly spread and the panzers covered 500 miles (804 km) in three weeks. By mid-July they were only 60 miles (96 km) from their objective.

    Army Group Centre, under Field Marshal Fedor von Bock, also made rapid progress. By 28 June Panzer Group 2, led by General Heinz Guderian, and General Hermann Hoth's Panzer Group 3 had encircled three Russian armies and captured over 320,000 men in the Bialystok-Minsk pockets. The two panzer groups then pressed ahead, linking up on the far side of Smolensk on 27 July in another double envelopment. Two more Russian armies were trapped and destroyed, and another 300,000 troops taken prisoner.

    Army Group South, under Field Marshal Gerd von Rundstedt, had the furthest to go and his attack also faced the stiffest Soviet resistance. Most of the Russian armour was on this front. But by early July von Rundstedt had pushed out beyond the pre-1939 Polish frontier. General Ewald von Kleist's Panzer Group 1 was slowed by Soviet flanking attacks as it headed for Kiev, the capital of Ukraine and key to the coal-rich Donets Basin. On 8 August the Germans surrounded two Soviet armies, capturing 100,000 men in the Uman pocket, and reached the Dnieper River. The naval port of Odessa on the Black Sea was also besieged.

    Up to this point all seemed to be going well, the only major problem being the time needed for the infantry to catch up with the panzers and mop up pockets of Russian defence. But Soviet resistance was now stiffening, despite catastrophic losses. A German salient around Yelnya, south-east of Smolensk, was recaptured in a costly but successful counterattack.

    Meanwhile, Army Group Centre's supply situation was becoming critical. Hitler decided to halt the advance on Moscow and reinforce Army Groups North and South. Hoth's Panzer Group 3 was sent north to support the drive on Leningrad while Guderian's tanks were despatched to help Army Group South take Kiev. The German High Command protested vigorously. The panzers were only 220 miles from Moscow. But Hitler regarded the resource-rich Ukraine as more important. On 21 August he ordered that the conquest of the Crimea and the Donets Basin be given priority.

    Five Soviet armies were trapped in a vast salient around Kiev. As usual, Stalin refused to sanction a withdrawal before the pocket was sealed. By the end of September Kiev had fallen and over 650,000 Russian troops killed or captured. The Germans pushed along the Black Sea coast and into the Crimea, laying siege to Sevastapol. In October Kharkov fell, but by now the Germans were exhausted. The fighting had severely depleted their ranks and supply lines were stretched to the limit. For now, the southern front stayed where it was. In the north too, German forces had reached their limit. In September, with the aid of their Finnish Allies, they cut Leningrad off from the rest of Russia, but lacked the strength to take the city. Instead, Hitler ordered that it be starved into submission. The epic siege would last 890 days.

    Hitler now decided to resume the battle for Moscow. On 2 October he unleashed Operation 'Typhoon'. He believed the Russians had been fatally weakened and lacked the strength to defend their capital - one more push would see it fall and victory would be his. But the Red Army had been reinforced. Almost a million Soviet troops were in place, although they had few tanks and aircraft left. A multi-layered ring of defences had been thrown around the capital and its citizens had been mobilised. The German offensive was carried out by a reinforced Army Group Centre, comprising three infantry armies and three panzer groups - 1 million men and 1,700 tanks. However the Luftwaffe was weak after over three months of sustained operations. And the weather was beginning to turn.

    Once again the initial assault was a success. The panzer divisions stormed ahead and over 600,000 Russian soldiers were captured in two more huge encirclements near the cities of Bryansk and Vyazma. The Russians were down to about 90,000 men. But as they reached the approaches to Moscow, the German formations slowed to a crawl. Autumn rains had turned the dirt roads into rivers of mud. It was the Rasputitsa - the 'quagmire season' - and wheeled and horse-drawn transport became hopelessly stuck. The Germans chose to temporarily halt operations.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/operation-barbarossa-and-germanys-failure-in-the-soviet-union

    The lend Lease program provided minimal help. The main attributing factor for Russian success was the weather. Scorched earth tactics. Russian resolve. And the T34
     
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