"Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

Why would we mind nationalistic indoctrination? That we instill nationalism into children make them better citizens, makes the nation stronger. seems like an obvious thing to do in my view.

 

We don't know whether or not God exists, or if we're just pledging to a bunch of air, or a fairy tale. So, here's to voting yes.

 

It's as clear as that. I don't mind one affirming their own 'faith' or 'religion' in a personal way... but don't impose upon or coerce others, to honor what's so very 'proprietary'. That is neither fair nor just; not true liberty/freedom.

 

I've always thought it should be "... one nation under the Constitution."

 

Why not use the pre-1954 version(s)?

That would be a fine solution for ALL.

 

Even though I find the pledge to be comical, but nobody is imposing a damn thing on you. When was the last time anyone made you say the pledge, or the phrase "under God"?
Oh wait, never.

 

That's not a claim I made. (So, what the heck are you talking about?)

Let me be clear:

'I' am a veteran of multiple wars. I have my sets of reasons for honoring AND protesting my country. Simply put, not everything is RIGHT about America. Protest is something I've been in foreign lands fighting for.

You are DAMNED RIGHT, that NO ONE is going to 'force' me to pay honor to this nation where I believe it isn't due; when I express honor to this nation, I mean it for reasons embedded deeply within my person. I also respect the absolute RIGHT of every American for peacefully protest the things they believe they must.

So, if you don't believe people are imposed upon or coerced to give 'honor'.... you should Google it. It's disgusting, in my view.

Here's one case of it.

 

"Don't force upon. or coerce others". Your words, genius. To say it shouldn't be done, means that there's a problem. Last time I checked, we didn't have a rash of forced pledges in this country. You're projecting a problem that doesn't exist. I never said the pledge in my teen years, because that was the cool, and edgy thing to do, and never once was I ever reprimanded. I didn't cry about other people saying under God, either. Because, I had a life.

That being said, the pledge should be done away with entirely. It's creepy.

 

You implied that 'I' (myself) claimed to be forced. That is hardly what I said.

Even so, I don't buy people's super-patriotism, nor do I tolerate it when it's forced/bought.

 

Gee, I don't know why 'we' wouldn't want to teach children blind allegiance to a thing they aren't able to comprehend as opposed to logical and reasoned thought. /s

Your idea of a strong nation seems to be a mass of mindless drones. My idea of a strong nation consists of free people capable of critical thinking.

 

3rd grade lol.

 

Heck , let's keep the Magic Guy in there and blame HIM for the mess this countries in....

...some people think it really has been "under god" so it's HIS fault, he sure did a lousy job !!!

 

Every American has the right to 'honor' in the fashion he deems appropriate. For sometimes, 'honor' means telling the rest of America, one thinks there are problems in America, and chooses to sit down during the anthem to make that fact known.

 

Then should by our creator be removed from the DoI ?

 

Amen to that!!

 

Why not? (How 'specific' is the term "creator" anyway? Referring to "nature" would make more sense to most.)

 

I am not a secular person. I have my own ideas about God and the angels of the Bible; however, I would rather ban all religious symbolism, including articles of clothing, prayers, etc then have someone else shoving their religious beliefs down my throat or the throats of my children. Any ban on religious symbolism has to be universal. NO EXCEPTIONS.

 

Imo, adding the “under god” phrase destroyed the natural flow of the Pledge, and ruined it. Turning it into nothing more than another blatant advertisement for christianity. I stopped reciting the Pledge long ago because of that particular change.

This is the same reason I object to having the ‘in god we trust’ phrase on our money and on our public buildings and in our courts. Many people in this country are NOT christian, so the phrase can be irritating.

www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-man-who-wrote-the-pledge-of-allegiance-93907224/

 

Interesting to see that we have so many hateful anti GOD, anti American secularists/globalists dining out here at this forum. Even a veteran here seems to have a hard
time accepting our American tradition of saluting the flag, accepting our coin message of 'In GOD WE TRUST' or simply acknowledging our standard 'ONE NATION UNDER GOD'
slogan that has been our gold standard since we fought for and gained our independence. I just happen to be a proud American veteran that will stand up for and honor our
GOD every day of my GOD given life over these globalists and secularists till we oust them from America the beautiful.

 

Atheists are nuts. They somehow have been convinced that everything in this universe happened by pure chance. I think that takes far more faith than believing in god.

I have no idea which interpretation of god is the correct one. But there sure as hell is a higher power out there somewhere. I think saying "under god" is generic enough to cover all beliefs and possibilities, except for the weird and ridiculous atheist point of view.

 

I think what MOST sane/decent human beings despise with respect to religion and/or patriotic rituals, are attempts to have the same imposed or forced upon them.

I believe the 1st Amendment and separation of religion from government power, covers people who who seek freedom, liberty in truth.

People don't generally 'hate' religion or ritual... they strongly object to having the beliefs, feelings or religious morals of others thrust at them as something they also must abide.

This INSANE notion that everyone must/shall follow along in lock-step, shouldn't be tolerated one iota. Many societies/cultures have gone that way, causing them massive troubles. Things that call for people to be 'less' human... generally aren't good things.

 

It doesn't matter to me. I taught my children to not to say the pledge when compelled.