Unsigned Trump order told Pentagon to seize voting machines

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  1. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not a single gun photographed on the scene. ROFL!

    Hey... are you in the market for a bridge? It goes straight to Catalina Island.
     
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    Try reading the posts you quote. Just try. This one was only two sentences. How difficult is that?
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They look to be starting a war with Russia to try and avoid it and continue the Military Industrial Complex.

    They don't mind lying to congress or having the FBI instigate a riot. Did you see the interview with the FBI with the Republicans? They would not answer questions on Ray Epps. The whole event looks like the Gretchen Whitmer "kidnapping".
     
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    The only one trying to start a war is Russia. And you guys will be cheerleading for our enemies if that happens. Ray Epps is one of the most braindead conspiracy theories you guys have come up with. And the Whitmer kidnapping plot was real.

    Come to terms with reality.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No guns on site by the group that owns more guns than any part of the population of virtually any nation on the planet. Keep reaching! You almost had it!

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    ROFL! You guys are hilarious.
     
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    ROFL! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! MOTHER JONES! How embarrassing.

    .... and your other link is a 71 year old. I'm sure he was a real threat! Where's the images of his stuff at the Capitol? ROFL! Keep going... I love the comedy! About that bridge? Do you want 2 lanes or 4?
     
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    Hardly my favorite source, but what did they get wrong? And why can't you address the guy who already pleaded guilty to bringing guns? I love comedy as well. Like how desperate you are to run away from the truth. You claimed (falsely) that no one brought guns. When proven wrong, you try to change the subject to your weird superstition that old people can't shoot guns (they actually can, buddy).

    But keep babbling about your desperation to ignore the truth. You've already been proven wrong and are predictably scrambling. Gotta love the scurry.
     
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    @HB Surfer At least 3 people have been charged with carrying firearms. But keep echoing the lies you've been commanded to believe.
     
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    Yard, do you want to get sent to the chalkboard to write "They KNOW, they do NOT care!" 500 times? ;-)

    They aren't crazy. Of course they know that. Everyone outside of North Korea knows that.


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    Strange you that you can not quote the article to prove your point but wanted people just to agree with you without reading it...
     
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    Whoa... those 3 were going to take over the USA? Don't share that with North Korea or we are doomed!!!! ROFL!

    So the right to Keep and Bear Arms is no longer a thing? No one brandished or carried any firearms that anyone has seen on any video... or do you have something to share? There was no real threat... except in the minds of lockstep leftists. Where you scared for the nation? Did you think this was it? Would counseling help?
     
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    Wouldn't it be a criminal offense if someone in the White House created and submitted a forged document as part of the Presidential Record?
     
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    Define forged? How can something be forged that is not signed? If an email archive is submitted by the White House as you suggested, it would contain all sorts of draft documents that people sent back and forth via email.
     
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    Did I misunderstand your hypothetical? You stated that in your professional opinion the document was most likely handled by a career civil servant (aka a never Trumper like Pete Strzok) who may have even created it, but at the very least submitted it to the national archive as part of the official Presidential Record. Now, if this individual created it, then that would make it a fake and fraudulent document - hence it would have been forged, irrespective of whether the President signed it.

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    That scenario would Yes, be a forgery.
     
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    Yeah, I won't....I won't.
     
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    First you said they proved it.
    Now you say he admitted it
    Anything else you want to add since you found out how many fails everyone saw with your Ukraine impeachment hoax
     
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    It seems those white flags just happen to be the facts you don't want to talk about.
    I get it.
     
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    The only person here running away from facts that they don't want to talk about is on the other side of the screen.
     
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    We literally have him in recording conversation, that he's admitted is legit, in which he asks for personal favors.
     
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    And it would also be a violation of 44 USC 22, a criminal offense, if it had been created or possibly even submitted without the approval of the attorney assigned to manage compliance with the 44 USC 22.

    The fact that there was an attorney assigned to manage this work is attested to in my previous post, which you found too full of exaggerations and hyperbole to perhaps fully read. Here is the portion of the post to which I am referring:

    Now, this guy was not likely a career civil servant - do you think? And if this document was crafted out of thin air then that is something all-together different than if it was simply transmitted without approval.

    The documentation I've been able to find and have skimmed through supports my experience with document management in that it is a collaborative effort between the NA and the WH. Every project I've ever worked on has folks dedicated to document management. In some cases the projects have been large enough to have 6 full time staff that regularly interact with full time staff on the proverbial other-side-of-the-fence. Have I got this wrong? You stated yourself that your drafts went through several review cycles and there is a separate process for the requirements of archiving federal agency records. I assume they are all at least as rigorous as the document control procedures I've worked directly with for several of the largest publicly traded companies on the planet. Trump's buddy Rex ran one of them for awhile, but they had nothing on another one that was the best at layering ridiculous amounts of stuff on top of otherwise straight-forward transmittals.

    Like I wrote previously, I think you would have a stronger argument if you simply questioned whether or not Politico got the alleged draft EO from someone who leaked it along the chain of custody between the NA and the House. It only came out after the SC dismissed the former President's case to keep it archived, correct?

    What are the chances that with a loyalist like Pat Cipollone that a member of his staff wouldn't be livid and vocal if this document had surreptitiously been submitted, much less created without authorization and due process when a criminal case could be made against your supposed civil servant?
     
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    Defrauding an election with faulty buying machines is a problem. Again an issue of trump doing his job.
     
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    You’ll have to back that up. I just searched the transcript and personal favor is not there. He does use the phrase do us a favor. The “us” is up for interpretation, with America being the front runner.
     
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    Right, you want to talk about the hypocrisy of the parties but you don't want to talk about how the left falsified thousands of stories to the point their own media lost control and nose dived losing over 80% of their viewership.
    Now CNN and MSNBC (left wing media) have less viewers than the Cartoon Channel and Nickelodeon while Fox news groups (Right wing media) hold the number 1-2-3-4-5-6 top positions.
    Who'd a think huh

    That is the meter that proves how the left and their media have tanked so bad for getting caught in so much BS, nobody listens to them anymore.
    Thats just the facts. Sorry it doesn't play into your version
     
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