US election: Donald Trump, Joe Biden take different lines on coronavirus as US breaks single-day rec

So your argument is that a relative would sue a hospital if they reported that the Covid patient died from something else but would not sue if a patient died of something else but the hospital reported the death as Covid?

 

No cure for Covid. It's perfect.

 

It’s not a scam per say. But hospitals and in turn the doctors, since they were the ones diagnosing, were very loose with what constituted COVID. A test wasn’t needed. Just A cough. A fever. Any symptom was good enough. And why wouldn’t they take advantage? Free money and all. But Trump wasn’t wrong. Docs were abusing the charity. My sister is one. She wasn’t diagnosing anyone, but she knew it was common place with colleagues. Our doctors at work said they knew hospitals in the area were diagnosing everyone with a symptom as a Covid death test or not.

 

There was abuse before the pandemic, there's abuse now, and there will be abuse after the pandemic. I'm thinking the abuse is quite minimal.

Doctors follow procedures. That's what they're required to do, and that's what they do. If the guidelines say a cough nets you a trip to Bermuda in January, then that's what they get. This, of course, isn't what's happening. It's a novel virus that's wreaking havoc on our medical resources, and everyone is doing their best to contain it, save lives and find a vaccine. However hospitals and other health care facilities are being reimbursed is a matter of law. That the law reimburses doctors for covid does not mean they are committing fraud nor taking advantage of any system. I'm sure they smile when depositing the checks, but it's the government making this possible.

 

I'm wondering about the legal aspect.

If you shoot a covid patient and he dies, is it murder or a covid death?

 

What is the "different" line that Biden would take?

I am ambivalent about the mask. ALL I care about are authoritarian shut downs of the economy. Biden has talked about shutting down the economy but in your article he has switched to Trump's philosophy of not shutting down the economy. He has said he would stop fracking and he has said he wants to kill the oil industry. I believe the only people who really know what Joe's intends to do are his puppet masters. The difference between Trump and other politicians is that when he says he is going to do something, we all can see him attempting to do what he said he would do. That is a unique thing in my lifetime. He is not controlled by unaccountable and unknown entities like Joe is.

 

Solutions rarely fit on bumper stickers or in two minute debate responses.
The biggest difference in Biden's approach will be testing and tracing. Trump is opposed to this because all he cares about are numbers, not people. That's one difference.

 

https://www.localmemphis.com/articl...tive/522-bcd8c6e1-5d75-4e07-af99-ed7babed909b

People lie in all walks of life.

But go ahead and chalk this up as nothing but an error or accident so you can continue to make your baseless claims.

The Biden's and Clinton's are probably squeaky clean too right? It's just Trump, his family, and those on the right that are dirty. Your side eats coal and shits diamonds.

 

Tracing became ineffective a while ago. We did tracing initially until the infective rate hit the threshold and and not only is it inconceivable we could do so with EVERY new infection it tells us little anymore.



How Are Americans Catching the Virus? Increasingly, ‘They Have No Idea’

"“We were pretty successful and we were very proud of how the case numbers went down,” said Dr. Sehyo Yune, who supervised a team of contact tracers in Massachusetts this spring. It was one of several strategies that helped tamp down earlier outbreaks in places like Massachusetts, New York and Washington, D.C.

But as cases skyrocket again in many states, many health officials have conceded that interviewing patients and dutifully calling each contact will not be enough to slow the outbreak. “Contact tracing is not going to save us,” said Dr. Ogechika Alozie, chief medical officer at Del Sol Medical Center in El Paso, where hospitalizations in the county have soared by more than 400 percent and officials issued a new order for residents to stay at home.....

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In North Dakota, state officials announced they could no longer have one-on-one conversations with everyone who may have been exposed. Aside from situations involving schools and health care facilities, people who test positive were advised to notify their own contacts, leaving residents largely on their own to follow the trail of the outbreak.

In Philadelphia, where cases recently spiked to more than 300 per day, city officials acknowledged that they now must leave some cases untracked. Most people, they said, are catching the virus through family and friends.

...“It’s just kind of everywhere,” said Crystal Watson, a senior scholar at the Center for Health Security at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, who estimated that tracing coronavirus cases becomes difficult once the virus spreads to more than 10 cases per 100,000 people."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/h...us-increasingly-they-have-no-idea/ar-BB1azq1G

And Biden does us a disservice when he asserts testing and tracing are the end all and we just need to do more. Trump is right we need to learn to live with it and get the vaccines online and more effective therapeutics both of which are on a fast track and have no reason to believe a Biden administration would have handled it better and in fact more to believe worse.