US invasion of China.

china don't have ability to lunch amphibious invasion right now. the case is about air superioity.

also there is a reason its call anti-access/anti-denial weapon, the whole point was keep CVBG AWAY/delay, so china have time to lunch assault on taiwan.

for invade taiwan they need least 100k soliders support by air/navy and heavy weaponary. china can't land that many troops right now, they can land about half of that.

 

the chance of china-us conflict is about the same chace as I win multi-million $$$ lottery

 

Is there a point to this thread? If so, what is it?

 

To play around with various military scenarios with a specific emphasis on equipment and tactics. If you read the entire thread you'd learn a lot of interesting technical and tactical information.

 

Point of this thread and others like it, is for a few americans to wave the flag and drool while shouting out nuclear missles attacks against nations.

Thus far anyway, it has been completly biased and disprectfull to the chinese country. Although to be fair, this is an impossible topic. Since none of the american chatters can't talk in manderin and no chinese bothering logging on.

 

How has it been disrespectful to the "Chinese" country?

 

Too much bias, nationalism. To be a rational debate. Although to be expected on a site like this. It might have more insights on forums with chinese military observers.

 

There are many military observors on this site, though most aren't Chinese. Also, "official" Chinese military sources haven't proven to be historically reliable. What nationalism has been displayed? Believing, through research, that Chinese capabilites are exaggerated is not displaying nationalism. You're basically upset because everyone disagrees with you.

 

You are proving why this topic cant be debated here. Americans like you have no balanced view to china. It is very negative. So obviously always going to fly your flag.

If this type of debate to flourish, needs experts from the chinese side, not just americans with a few google photos.

 

Americans like me? Where have I been unbalanced? Why would Chinese "experts" benefit the discussion? China, the military imparticular, has a strong record of overexaggerating its capabilties. Many of the top "experts" on Chinese military capabilties are retired Western officers who head small security think tanks. The sources from the Chinese military have no freedom of speech and have been proven wrong over and over again. Former Soviet military and intelligence officers from the cold war have shown just how overexaggerated Communist military claims can be.

 

Nationalists.

But whatever. Seems pointless to continue to talk with you. Clearly negative to china and over optimistic to america. If you can ever over come that, this type of debate might work.

 

I discuss the issue at hand...not vague ideas of nationalism. You accuse me of being overly optimistic about U.S. capabilties. Show me where? All you do is jump into the thread and blanket everyone that doesn't agree you as nationalistic. Add something of substance to the discussion and at the very least back up your broad claims. This isn't a debate about which country is "better;" It's a discussion that explores the military capabilties of two countries in a fictional scenario.

 

Then you obviously do not know anything, I am sorry to say.

Notice, I am not going around "waving the flag". I am in the US military. And I am sure that if the US were to try an invasion of CHina, it would fail. I have said that before, I say it agian.

So I have no idea what you are saying, it bears no connection to reality.

As far as "bashing China", I am not doing that at all. You have to realize, for a Communist country, China is one of the most Capitolistic when it comes to selling their own military hardware. So of course they praise it to the sun, moon and stars.

All I do is strip away the fantasy, and show the reality behind what they claim. You will never hear me say what they make is "junk". Compared to what most of their customers use (Third World nations), it is far superior to what they have.

However, it is not to the level of what the US and USSR made during the height of the Cold War.

Could say an Egypt armed with top of the line Chinese weapons take out Libya? Easily, without a doubt. Could a force from Venezuela armed with top of the line weapons take out an equal sized force from the US? Not a prayer in hell. Not that the stuff that China makes is junk, but it is not as good as what the US uses.

One thing I am not is an alarmist. You will not see me going around screaming "OMG, China has XXX! Run for your lives!"

However, you will also not see me going "Oh, that is 'Made In China', it is nothing but junk!" either.

And I have absolutely no idea why you keep bringing up language. That is about the largest and most coprolite part of any of your points. I do not speak dog either, but I can give you some fairly knowledgeable ideas of what my Belgian Sheppard is feeling.

 

And how would that make any difference at all?

Tell you what, bring in a Chinese Military expert on Missile Defense Systems. Let him and I have a debate right here.

But I bet you can't do that. Because I bet Dollars to Doughnuts that this site is one of many that is unavailable to China because of internet censorship.

I love how you just whitewash everything I and others say as "Nationalism". Yet if you look at other debates I have participated in, I have consistantly given sound logistical and strategic descriptions of a great many topics and theoretical conflicts. Regardless of who was involved.

For example, I invite you to check the threat about a UK invasion of Argentina. Where I described how Argentina could trounce the UK. Even though the UK is a US ally, and uses a lot of their equipment.

If I was "Nationalist", I would be claiming that the US could easily take over China (which it could not), and that the UK would easily destroy Argentina (which it would not).

What I think we have is simply another case of Sinophillia.

 

Actually, look back at my posts. I have been stating over and over that China would not "go nuclear". I believe them when they state that their weapons are for response only.

If your assertions were true, then I would be along the line of "destroy them first, before they nuke us!" However, I have never had that stance, and never will.

In fact, I have been consistantly been trying to show why China would not launch a Nuclear strike.

Actually, I have been fairly respectfull. I credit them with being innovative, far thinking, and intelligent. I just do not believe that they can do everything they claim to be able to do.

And I am sorry, I do not speak Spanish either. Yet I have been married to a lady from South America now for over 26 years. So I ask again, what does having to speak the language have to do with anything?

 

actually one think about chinese culture is Modesty. they tend to stick bid your time and hid your ability policy. if you look at all the stuff that PLA general said, is modesty. its really in the culture.

now of course we all know china military ability is raising pretty fast over the years. in the 80's their technology gap was around 30-40yrs, now the quality of their equipment is probably few yrs-10yr lag behind US equipment, some of the system are almost on par as US. US still outmatch them both in overall quality and quantity. but if they can narrow this gap in 15yrs, think about what happen in another 10-20yrs. likely they will match the quality of US or close to it, but not in quanity, i doubt they will ever build more than 3 CVBG. the day where we can park our CVBG near taiwan strait without impunity are gone.

 

Many Chinese PEOPLE are rather humble....the communist government, not so much. Humility DEFINITELY isn't China's policy when it comes to announcing military capabilties.

 

the government and military tend to keep low profile. if you go over there recent history, youll notice that. same with their weapons, they usually downplay it. they never said something like j20=f22 things like that, usually said they need catch up or its in development etc etc. their doctrine is around bid your time, hid your ability.

on another news

china defense likely will doubled

 

The American Naval and Air power right now is still superior to her Chinese counterpart. It would require a mass bombardment of Chinese infrastructure. However, any US attack on China would be met with all out war in Korea and a regional nightmare would unfold. The war would likely weaken China and the Americans.

 

American Navy would be reduced to wrecks in short time, and would most likely result in thousand of American deaths..and this was a study by the American military this was a study regarding the straits and an attack on Iran....and China is far more superior to Iran!

Regards
Highlander

 

Reference?

 

Show us what you have in the way of sources so we can check out your analysis. Thanks.

 

i doubt its, even in taiwan conflict if US navy did any preemptive strike or thread carefully, china plan are very likely to fail. in recent years china did acquire alot capability on anti-ships, so its something US has to worry about when sailling newar chinese coast.

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28675

For starters.....still trying to find the link and the American report.

Aaah...http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28516

Regards
Highlander

 

What would you require a reference?

Past judgements has you as a "parochial" first!

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28516

Awaiting your reply with bated breath!

Regards
Highlander