And as I said, that's not what I was talking about. They did after the ceasefire of 2012. Israelis continued to shoot and kill unarmed Palestinian civilians. They ultimately were retaliated back at. How long of a period in which no attack occurs before it actually counts? For what length of time must the PA somehow manage to make millions of Palestinians all behave, each and every one of them, despite being constantly provoked by the IOF, until just one of them gets mad and shoots a rocket or throws a rock? How long must it be? Plus, Israel steal jurisdiction from Palestinian authority. Plus, Israel attacks Palestinian police and government, so they CAN'T keep these millions of angry and oppressed people in line. So Israel provoke and provoke until they get somebody shoot back and then say "See that, they ARE trying to kill us! ALL OF THEM!!!!" What about Israel must be recognized as a "Jewish" state? Revising old historical documents is a new string being attached by Israel. And why don't they call it what it is? It's not that they won't "recognize Israel as a Jewish State" rather it's a case of they won't modify a couple dusty old documents. Too bad Israel don't take breathers. A ceasefire is a breather but Israel violated it. So even when the Palestinians stop fighting, it still doesn't count, because they still have propaganda? So it's a lot more than just stopping the fighting being demanded. Now they have to get rid of all propaganda too? More strings attached! Yes.. Show me the rule that says Palestine must recognize Israel as a "Jewish" state. Not just a state but a "Jewish" one. Show me the legal requirement for that, and for the words you're not allowed to say in your historical documents. Obviously because there's no rule about that, which is what I'm saying. Show me this requirement. Cite the verbiage. What do you suppose they knock down all those houses for? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21274061 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/west-bank-land-seized-by-israeli-kibbutz/ Stop deflecting. There is no such thing as "the Arabs" as far as having a unified policy. Many groups, countries and people constitute that category. And what somebody wants is moot, because Isreal are the ones actually doing it. Which is worse? Murdering somebody, or wanting to murder somebody?
Leave the Occupied Territories, remove your squatters and the Palestinians will cease to have any reason or justification for resisting the occupation. See how easy it is?
"Ramping up their capabilities"! Which are what, exactly? Are the Palestinians getting helicopter gunships, fighters, bombers, tanks, satellite surveillance maybe? What an utterly clueless post.[/QUOTE] They are getting ahold of some lethal rockets and personal AA weaponry that will shoot down helicopters
They are getting ahold of some lethal rockets and personal AA weaponry that will shoot down helicopters[/QUOTE] Really? How come you're privy to this information? Care to provide an impartial link to support your claim?
Right. So even though there is no large scale combat operations going on they are still in a state of war which has been ongoing since the Palestinians declared it in 1948. Probably for the same amount of time that the Israelis have to ensure that every settler, every citizen, every crazy soldier doesn't do anything that gets some hothead to throw a rock. And no, the governments of the Palestinians actually have an official policy to destroy Israel so there is no need to invent some pretext to state they are. They can call it a Mormon state for all anybody who is not an Israel could or should care. It is of no consequence to anybody other than Israelis what kind of state it is. They can't as if they did they wouldn't exist as a secure nation. Only string is to recognize Israel's right to exist and take her destruction off the charters and then stop making war on her and instead declare peace. Incredible. So it is perfectly fine for a nation to make the destruction of another nation as it's official policy and in the same breathe shout how heinous and evil the besieged nation is for defending itself. Article 2 UN Charter; "The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations." it also provides for the defense of Israel in Art 51; "Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security." Perhaps you can provide an example as I requested so we can examine closer. Nothing in there about "ethnic cleansing." The Palestinians were part of the Arab League in 1948 when it declared war against Israel. Now you are going to try to tell us that this organization was not Arab? Destroying a home because it had an illegal tunnel under it or it violates building codes is not ethnic cleansing, pushing every Jew into the sea is. Of course murdering somebody which is what the Palestinians have vowed to do if Israel ever lets their guard down.
One thing at a time for now. Israel violated the November 2012 ceasefire by shooting and killing unarmed civilians at the fence that is on Palestinian land. Not only unarmed but on their own side (although much of the other side is Palestinian land too) and had not breached the fence.. So how would they have destroyed Israel?
They shot 23-year-old Anwar Qdeih in the head, and injured 15 others in a shooting attack against unarmed Palestinians on Palestinian land on November 22 2012, not even two days after the ceasefire was agreed. First blood = Israel. Israeli justification = violent attacks against an inanimate object on Palestinian land. Israel would continue their killing spree of civilians. So, how would these protestors have destroyed Israel?
From Al Jazeera; Approaching a declared no go zone to put up an Hamas flag. The military fired three waring shots and he still kept on going. How is this violating any ceasefire unless the ceasefire stated that it was perfectly fine to go into the "no go zone" which I doubt was the case.
How does opening fire and killing an unarmed person on their own territory violate a ceasefire? Are you REALLY asking the question, how does opening FIREE, violate a cease FIRE?!?!?!?!?!! Now, care to explain to me how planting a Palestinian flag on a fence would have destroyed Israel?
They are not permitted to go there and they know it. "After the shooting, Hamas security officials, coming closer to the Israeli border fence than ever before, escorted Palestinians away from the site, witnesses said. A Palestinian security source confirmed the move to Reuters, saying "the instruction is not to allow people to approach the border fence"." Can't as I never made that contention, you did. I said; "They can't as if they did they wouldn't exist as a secure nation." Pretty hard to be secure when you have whipped up crazies who want to kill you entering and leaving at will.
Really? How come you're privy to this information? Care to provide an impartial link to support your claim?[/QUOTE] Watch the vice documentary about al qaeda in syria. Look at the weapons they have in the video. Look at how new and clean their uniforms are. Look how well equipped. Vice is left wing biased if anything, but they still deliver a good product.
Nope, it has never been a peace process. It has been a process of theocratic governments smuggling in arms and rockets into Palestine/Israel, over a period of decades. Those arms and rockets are the reason there cannot be peace. And the reason those arms and rockets are there is through religiously motivated leaders in Iran, Egypt, Syria, and others.
Restriction of free movement is a war crime, FYI. Even if not, trespassing doesn't warrant lethal force. The fact remains that Israel FIRED first after the cease FIRE and they drew first blood. Make excuses all you want, they still violated the cease fire. I'm sorry, I did misinterpret that. But let's say you need to maintain that security. Okay fine. Lethal force wasn't necessary to do that. I mean, police sometimes handle mobs thousands of times as big. If they breached the fence and started running through no man's land, then you might have closer to a point. Otherwise, how would they have jeopardized Israeli security?
Yeah, it has nothing to do with finding a solution to the refugee problem, the status of Jerusalem, the extent and nature of the land swaps, the settlements, etc.... It's all about the rockets. Do you know how stupid you sound?
How about the IOF throwing Palestinians out of their homes so that Zionist squatters can move in? Is that ok with you?
What "no go zone"? There's a fence; had he been attempting to climb it or breach it in some other way? No, he was shot on his side of the fence and on his land by the IOF who were on the outside. Does Israel now employ ignoramuses who can't figure out where they are? You really are presenting some dumb defence of Israeli thug tactics here.
Watch the vice documentary about al qaeda in syria. Look at the weapons they have in the video. Look at how new and clean their uniforms are. Look how well equipped. Vice is left wing biased if anything, but they still deliver a good product.[/QUOTE] And who is arming the Syrian 'rebels'? America, that's who. You arm Israel's enemies at the same time you're telling us what a great ally Israel is! What a bunch of inept, hypocritical (*)(*)(*)(*)wits Americans are Is it any wonder the world looks at your 'foreign policy' and curls up in hysterics? http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-usa-syria-rebels-idUSBREA0Q1S320140127
And who is arming the Syrian 'rebels'? America, that's who. You arm Israel's enemies at the same time you're telling us what a great ally Israel is! What a bunch of inept, hypocritical (*)(*)(*)(*)wits Americans are Is it any wonder the world looks at your 'foreign policy' and curls up in hysterics? http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-usa-syria-rebels-idUSBREA0Q1S320140127[/QUOTE] Snake....if you go back and read my posts about this moths ago I detailed out how we all fell off our Chairs when Obama went public because an already working plan supplying know actual Syrian Rebels with Russian Made weapons out of Jordan. Then out of no where...WAM! We were blind sided. Back then the program was working because we had eyes on and kept close tabs to exactly WHO were getting weapons. No matter what anyone believes....Assad is one seriously nasty piece of work and he should have already given up all his Chemical Weapons but if you read ANOTHER post I made I stated Assad would drag giving up all his chemical weapons stocks in an effort so he could keep 30% to 15%. We will not be satisfied unless he gives up at least 95% to 97%. EVERYTHING....you are posting about here I have already posted moths ago. AboveAlpha
America really needs to sort itself out. It arms it's enemies and allies alike, and all for either the fast buck or a chance to extend its influence via nefarious interventions and machinations. Yep, you're 'exceptional' all right; exceptionally stupid. And you're so stupid that you believe the world can't see through your routine hypocrisy and meaningless rhetoric about 'freedom' and 'democracy'. What's that saying? Oh yes, 'an empty vessel makes the most noise'.
And who is arming the Syrian 'rebels'? America, that's who. You arm Israel's enemies at the same time you're telling us what a great ally Israel is! What a bunch of inept, hypocritical (*)(*)(*)(*)wits Americans are Is it any wonder the world looks at your 'foreign policy' and curls up in hysterics? http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/27/us-usa-syria-rebels-idUSBREA0Q1S320140127[/QUOTE] No. We don't sell Russian weapons. You didn't watch the video. They are getting weapons from the Iranians. We are arming a different group.
No. We don't sell Russian weapons. You didn't watch the video. They are getting weapons from the Iranians. We are arming a different group.[/QUOTE] Huh? Where did I mention Russia? Is there anything in my link mentioning Russia? You don't know who you're sending your weapons to, and neither do you know where they'll end up. As ever America presents its incompetence and inept stupidity, in all its glory, for the world to wonder at.
LOL!!! I have listened to people such as yourselves for over 3 decades who were the first one's to criticize and complain but the VERY FIRST IN LINE to reap the benefits. I don't blame you for this next fact but you simply don't know enough about what is really happening on a day to day basis in the real world for you to believe in anything other than the chosen ideology you spout. And you know what....that's OK....that's just fine because I certainly can't get angry with a person who is simply talking about what they know...limited as it may be. I brought up the fact that I told you several MONTHS ago EXACTLY what was going to happen after you posted something to the effect that I was full of it and a pretender. And if you recall that conversation I told you to JUST WATCH....that in a matter of a few moths everything I was telling you about would become public knowledge....and it now has become public knowledge. At the time you disagreed with what I was telling you but again...I can't blame you as you simply had no idea what was going on. Now....I will tell you something AGAIN....which again will happen. I and others are worried that Assad will refuse to give up anything more than 70% of his total Chemical Stockpile and we KNOW how much and what he has as some is his and some is Saddam's. Assad has placed these Chemical Weapons spread out through large population centers making it a no go to drop very special U.S. Weapons that will burn so how they render such Chemical Weapons inert. As we are not murderers we will not bomb such population centers and if Assad stops at 70% and refuses to give up the rest....we will have to Invade Syria in a very special way. AboveAlpha
Its part of the cease fire agreement, its not something Israel made up afterwards, that agreement was sanctioned by Morsi's Egypt, there is a no entry zone some yards away from the fence so no one will be able to plant bombs there or dig tunnnels with realtive ease, crossing that line IS breaking the cease fire, shooting those that did is just a way to deal with those that broke it.
