Its because of things you mentioned there can never be peace because both sides will never agree on those things - that's why there is no "peace" process but a never ending conflict, they will always try to smuggle arms to continue the fight and score victories over Israel and Israel - since it got what it wanted - defends. possibly expands in the WB if no solution is reached.
I don't care what some irrelevant and inconsequential groups do. The peace talks concern the PA and the Israeli government. What the Islamic-Martyrs-Abu Yusssuf-whatever Brigades do has no bearing whatsoever on the peace talks.
Salam Alaikum. I am from Palestine. The Israeli terrorists are being financed by our Traitor Muslim Brother, Mr Obama Husein. Israel is a false country.
When it comes to talks of peace, what those who are waging war, very much has a bearing on the peace talks. What the Brigades are doing have more of a bearing on peace, than these talks with Abbas, whose term as President ended in 2009
Do you know how stupid you sound to dismiss the fact that Israel is surrounded by these rockets, and that an all out rocket offensive is launched against them every couple of years? There will never be peace as long as we continue to allow countries to funnel in arms, rockets, and terrorists into that region. Iran and Syria have been undermining Israel in the same way they undermined the US wars in Iraq and Afghan, and people like yourself allow this US imperialist narrative to blind you to what is really going on. Yeah the problems you mention are problems too, but they will NEVER be solved with all the terrorists and arms being funneled into the region. Just like the problems in establishing law and order in Iraq and Afghan were NEVER going to happen with the govts of Iran, Syria, and Pakistan actively funneling in insurgents and arms.
Restriction of movement to stop individuals entering a zone designated as a "No Go Zone" during wartime is not a crime. If this were the case then Nazi Germany could have simply sued the Allies for entering Normandy on D Day. Fact - all Palestinians have been informed the No Go Zones are three hundred meters from the fence and they are not to go there as lethal force will be applied. Fact - three warning shots were fired prior to the lethal force. Fact - The individual was intent on breaching the No Go Zone in order to conduct an activity that was counter to the ceasefire as explained by witnesses. So Israel should now triple the size of their armed forces on alert to handle those intent on breaching the ceasefire by moving into No Go Zones to mount the wall? Please show us where this rule is as from what I understand, an order stating not to go there has been given with the stated application of force if it is so those who disobey it will naturally be subject to that application. UN Charter States; Knowing full well the penalty he still approached the wall with the intent of mounting it to place his terror organizations flag so the individual was threatening to breach the wall and compromise Israeli security. It is not up to individual soldiers to decide what is right and wrong or what the intent or reason is - their orders are that nobody goes into that No Go Zone.
Certainly not! Glad that the Israeli government has intended for this to happen. Not at all Snake. The "No Go Zone" is well known to all but you it seems as even the Hamas Security Officials knew it was there as they pulled the belligerents who broke the ceasefire away from the wall after the shooting.
A declaration by a true "Palestinian"by Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist that acknowledged the lie he was fighting for and the truth he was fighting against: “Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?” “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”. “When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”. Reply to SS; Religious truth; In our world here in hillbilly land, aka the bible belt, no one takes anything from us without grave risk of becoming holey'*, lol. (here we go again)..... What the pal squatter pals never admit its the pals that ARE squatting on Israels land. One would have to whore ones intelligence by claiming 'real' Palestinians exist. Or that the nation of Pal' exist at all. Israel has every right to keep what is theirs and punish those dumb enough to attempt to take their birthright etc by any means save from violating Gods law. reva....ps read where the lie came from; "The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land.; MORE>>>> http://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm
On the contrary, small and insignificant militant groups who fire fizzle rockets into Israel once in a while are of no significance when it comes to the peace talks, and they never were. The issues of primary contention have always been what I listed above.
EXCERPT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<EXCERPT The groups you so wrongly analyze as ‘small and insignificant’ are large but not yet in charge. The well funded perps that target those rockets at Israeli citizens and other innocents are masters of terror, not kids in the back yard lighting bottle rockets. Palestinian linked terrorists have one goal and one goal only. That is to force the creation of a Palestinian nation using intimidation, terror and propaganda to name a few criminal tools. Add that the pal crooks and their leaders circumnavigated and corrupted UN protocol to the stinkin’ list. Oh yeah the FIZZLE ROCKETS KILLED 1,024 Israelis, and 63 foreign citizens, THEY INJURED approximately SEVEN THOUSAND OR MORE people. That is some short list eh? reva
If Israel could never be considered as a parent state for Palestine, then a collective agreement of the international community could enforce it including the US. But as always peace always dominates the agenda.
Palestinians have a right to their own residence there, the right to not have property taken, the right to free movement across Palestine. Israel build checkpoints, walls etc. and they deny Palestinians access to many roads, though it's legally required that everyone gets equal access to public services. People in Gaza can't go visit people in the West Bank. Families are kept apart by force. This is illegal, all of it, per the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. "⦁ (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state." Every last one? Do you have proof? Nevertheless it doesn't matter. Irrespective of if you warn them, you can NOT shoot and kill unarmed people. Planting a flag? You think that gives license to kill him? There's no legal right for a "No Go Zone" in the first place. Can you show me where it's authorized? It is ILLEGAL to prevent Palestinians access to places on their own land. Not legally subjected. If I warn you not to blink or I'll kill you, and you blink, I have the right to kill you? Warnings don't matter. It states threat of force (warnings) and use of force are prohibited! Good find; that disproves your case. They didn't even need lethal force. Are you suggesting they did? "Planting a flag" is not a security danger, I think it's ridiculous how much you exaggerate. A ceasefire is the cessation of hostilities. Israel started hostilities up during a peaceful protest. You don't just say if they break any rule you make up it violates the ceasefire. Show me the actual term that you claim they violated. All the document states is to stop hostilities and attacks. Both sides must. That's IT! It says nothing about movement anywhere even at the border and nothing against peaceful protest. Here's the text: 1. "Israel shall stop all hostilities in the Gaza Strip land sea and air, including incursions and targeting of individuals. "All Palestinian factions shall stop all hostilities from the Gaza Strip against Israel, including rocket attacks and all attacks along the border. "Opening the crossings and facilitating the movement of people and transfer of goods and refraining from restricting residents' free movements and targeting residents in border areas. Procedures of implementation shall be dealt with after 24 hours from the start of the ceasefire. "Other matters as may be requested shall be addressed." 2. Implementation mechanism. "Setting up the zero hour for the ceasefire understanding to enter into effect. "Egypt shall receive assurances from each party that the party commits to what was agreed upon. "Each party shall commit itself not to perform any acts that would breach this understanding. In case of any observations, Egypt as a sponsor of this understanding, shall be informed to follow up." As you can see, Israel are required to allow Palestinians movement. They broke the cease fire no matter how you slice it.
Except in time of war which the Palestinians declared on the Israelis so take it up with the UN as article 51 states they are free to defend themselves against the aggression foisted on them from the Palestinians since 1947 which is still in play as there is no peace treaty despite the formal declaration of war. Yes, I porovided it as the government has been informed of this and their actions show they are aware which is all that is necessary as it is not Israel's repsonsibility to inform each and every Palestinian unless you are going to now come out and say Israel has the right to enter Palestine and invade houses to pull people out individually and inform them of this. Unless they are in a restricted area and have been provided the courtesy of warnings. Yes. You expect the IDF to ascertain if one has a flag or a bomb? The individual is in a declared legal restricted area which they have no reason to be in so nothing good can come of it for them nor the Israelis. Article 51 UN Charter. Big difference between entering a restricted area during war and carrying out a normal body function in peace time. Sorry Happy, the Palestinians threatened to use force and the Israelis responded with Article 51 which states; Given it could have been a bomb and or providing cover for another to plant a bomb they were perfectly within their rights to carry out their responsibilities as per Art 51. Why else would a Palestinian enter a No Go Zone? Deliberately entering a restricted area is a hostile act. Approaching the wall without permission is a hostile act no matter how you try to paint it. Did the IDF state that because unbeknownst to them he was protesting in his own way it was perfectly fine or did they follow their orders which was maintain the integrity of their No Go Zone which every Palestinian knew about? And they were free to move in all non restricted areas. Nice try but that was never referring to restricted areas and of course, you can explain why it was necessary for individuals to have enough freedom of movement as to plant things on the wall so please do so as I am all ears.
I see, so this 'no go zone' is not only "undefined" according to your quote, but is extended to 1.5 kilometers? Tell us, o wise one, how the hell anyone is supposed to know when or where they might be shot. It appears that Israel is making things up as it goes, and one is liable to be shot for approaching within a mile or so! Sounds to me like open season for the IOF. What does it sound like to you?
Easy, you don't go near it and if you are given warning shots go the other way. Unless of course you really really need to go up and touch the wall in which case your life is in the hands of the IDF as they are still at war with the Palestinians as their official doctrines state that a Jihad is still in place against Israel and has been since 1947. About time you understood this. "Article 51 Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations,"
1.5 kilometers (0.93 miles) is near? Your own quote tells us that live fire has been employed at this distance. Like I said, open season. 'If you see a Palestinian, shoot him. No questions asked, because we define what the no-go-zone is whenever we feel like it'. Is that about right?
Good, we'll be sure to remind you of this Article as and when Palestine achieves full statehood. I can hear the Zionists whining already...
Yep. If you are a Palestinian best not to go near the areas and really Snake, why would you want to as there is nothing there anyhow save a big azzed wall with mean ol' Israelis on top of it. - - - Updated - - - They are already a member even though not fully they still enjoy this right unfortunately, they are the aggressors and have been since 1948 so they don't enjoy Article 51 as it applies to israel.
You'd be aggressive if your land, property and homes were arbitrarily annexed by European settlers. That annexation continues to this day, and the Palestinians will continue to resist Israeli aggression and theft for as long as it continues. Interesting, also, that you consider the Palestinians to be "aggressors" in the face of hundreds of UN resolutions condemning Israel for exactly that, including other nations. Just in case you need an aide memoire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine http://www.un.org/documents/ga/res/36/a36r027.htm You do realise that resolutions condemning Israel for acts of aggression comprise 45% of all nation specific condemnations? But, of course, Israel will wring its hands, complain that it is Israel which is the victim, and go whining to the UN at any hint of Palestinian transgression. No wonder the UN and the world are sick to death of that parasitic grease spot.
Yep, as I said, the aggression was and continues to be pushed by the Palestinians and Israel has every right to defend herself. Indeed as Palestinians were not a state until recently so couldn't be condemned for their heinous actions, warlike policies and terrorist agenda.
And so we come full circle Snake - Palestine was never until recently a nation so could not be held accountable for it's crimes which is why your list is so one sided.
