US study lays bare extreme pay-ratio problem

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  1. squidward

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    Because you're a corporatist/fascist.
     
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    Replicant is a free open source replacement OS for Android.
    I assume it's meant to be a derogatory term for Republicans, although it would appear to be much more fitting applied to Collectivists who seem focused less on equality of rights than they are on equality of outcome as a function of an all powerful central government.
    Societies (people) created governments, and as always the case, once powers are granted they only grow greater over time until which point the people have to reclaim what they have had taken from them, if not peacefully then forcefully.
     
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    Is this supposed to be an answer? Its nonsense, but also clearly a childish dodge. Let's try again: How do you know if someone is a Marxist or not if you don't know any Marxism?
     
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    Not my concern corporatist statey boy
     
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    So you can't actually inform me how you know if someone is a Marxist or not? This is despite you using the term Marxism left right and centre.
     
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    If the BMW driver OWNS the truck he is the one that must pay the taxes, not the employee driving his truck.
     
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    That is NOT what I am saying at all.
     
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    Let's say that's the case. How would the tax assessor even know if BMW boy has hired a truck driver? And how would the tax assessor know how many miles the employee has driven his truck on We the People's" roads? How can the tax assessor know how much infrastructure BMW boy has actually used?
     
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    By the income the BMW driver has earned in comparison to the incomes of everyone else.
     
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    How does his income give any information about whether he has hired a truck driver or how many miles his hired truck driver has used on the roads?
     
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    So goods just magically appear on store shelves and/or your doorstep?
     
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    Nope.

    How does his income give any information about whether he has hired a truck driver or how many miles his hired truck driver has used on the roads?

    Your goal was to have people who use the roads pay for the roads, right?
     
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    Nope!

    My goal was to make sure that those who benefited most from the infrastructure paid for the benefit they are receiving.

    Explain how someone makes money without using any infrastructure resources?
     
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    So now you're using the term infrastructure instead of roads. Okay.

    So how do you know who is using the infrastructure and to what extent?
     
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    Roads are part of infrastructure.

    Everyone makes some or other use of infrastructure which means that it needs to be supported by all of society. Those who earn the most are the largest beneficiaries of the infrastructure of society.
     
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    Oh, I see. So you don't want the users to pay for what they use. You just want to tax incomes. Got it.
     
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    Taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society.
    Oliver Wendell Holmes

    Anyone who doesn't want to live in a civilized society with a functioning infrastructure is free to go elsewhere but those who are benefiting most have an obligation towards paying for the benefits that they receive.

    Feel free to explain how infrastructure would be supported WITHOUT income taxes.
     
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    Tolls
     
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    Tolls are regressive taxation that harms the economy and ultimately results in the collapse of the political power structure since they lack the funding to maintain society.
     
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    Tolls pay for the roads. Isn't that what you asked me? How would the roads be paid for?
     
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    Infrastructure goes way beyond mere roads.

    The whole point of the farmer/roads analogy was to make the point that some members of society derive a greater benefit from infrastructure and therefore should pay higher taxes in order to maintain them.

    Could stockbrokers/shareholders make money without the electrical grid to power their stock exchange computers?

    Could airlines make money if there were no airports?

    There are endless examples of how infrastructure is fundamental to society and how some benefit more then others.

    You still have not explained how regressive taxation, such as tolls, are going to support the infrastructure that we need in today's society. Why is that?
     
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    Tolls pay for roads. Electric bills pay for the electrical grid. Airlines pay for airports.
     
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    Dodging the question because you cannot refute the FACT that tolls are REGRESSIVE TAXATION. :eek:

    Tolls do NOT pay for roads.

    Airlines do NOT pay for airports.

    Electrical bills do NOT pay for the electrical grid.

    All of the above are SUBSIDIZED by income taxes.
     
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    Why should people pay for infrastructure they don’t use?
     
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    Because I just proved to you that they DO use it, albeit indirectly.
     
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