US troops to leave Afghanistan

Pakistan is a terrorist state. needs a good old fashioned carpet bombing.

 

Well yeah, you influence Afghanistan through your creation the Taliban. They are your proxies.

 

Ho hum, yawn.

Another U.S. defeat and a victory for Islam.

America will never learn.

America, with a lot of allied help only managed to "win" one-half of Korea.

Vietnam was a total, humiliating and embarrasing defeat..

America's allies and Russia won WWII.

Who will America lose to next? But win or lose, it's good, live training for the military.

 

Victory doesn't require colonizing the defeated. We removed the Taliban from power and Al Qaeda is virtually non existent in Afghanistan. From the very beginning the plan was to leave after accomplishing the above two goals.

 

We should have meaningful talks with organizations that shoot little girls in the face for wanting to go to school, and then threaten to shoot them again after they fail to kill them? Those are the people we should be seeking to help obtain govt positions? No thanks, I'd rather my govt not spend one breath to utter one word to anyone in that organization.

 

Evidence?

 

My leader Bush said so, and the only people who have said otherwise appear to be anti-American activists who want people who shoot little girls in the face to participate in government. As far as choosing sides, this is a no brainer guys...

 

Both the Soviet-era Russia and present day USA eventually left Aghanistan pretending they didn't have their tails between their legs. The difference is that the USA had a lot fewer casualties and inflicted a lot less Afghan casualties (especially on non-combatants) than the USSR did.

 

We haven't left yet, so let's hold off on the revisionist history (we left with our tails between our legs) until it as at least in fact, history.

 

Then consider that post my prediction on events to come in the next few years. NATO forces (especially ours) will basically abandon Afghanistan and within the space of a couple of years the Taliban will overthrow the current government, making our long campaign in Afghanistan virtually meaningless.

 

Not to mention they now have a democratically elected government of their choosing as opposed to an installed puppet of the Soviets.

 

Well, only if the Taliban were to offer safe haven for Al Qaeda. I suspect that's the last thing they would want to do.

 

And let's see if my prediction comes true, we are going to basically hang out in Afghan until the Taliban and/or other Islamic extremists succeed in taking full control of the Pakistani govt and/or military, and then we are going in there after the nukes.

 

The OP parrots the views of the enemy of mankind, the Pakistani military Inter-Services Intelligence - the "Paki-ISI" and their dupes such as VP Joe "the Taliban, per se, are not the enemy" Biden.




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The war is not over!
"America's longest war will finally be over" - President Barack Obama, State of the Union Speech 2014.

It's not over. We've not got justice against Pakistan for its role as state sponsors of Al Qaeda, Bin Laden and 9/11.

Bin Laden was killed in Pakistan where he and the terrorist group he founded, Al-Qaeda, which attacked the US on 9/11, was hosted and sponsored by the Pakistani military intelligence.

The same Pakistani military given $10 billion in military aid (and $ billions more in civil aid) by the US since 2001 has its intelligence service, the ISI, actually supporting, recruiting, training, supplying and directing the Taliban against our forces in Afghanistan and also sponsors Al Qaeda for world-wide terrorism like on 9/11.

So the Taliban, Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups based in Pakistani territory are secret agents, proxies, irregular forces of the Pakistani military.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda don't wear Pakistani military uniform of course, because that would give the game away, even to the fools who run the Pentagon and NATO.



Top Left: Admiral Mike Mullen, US Navy, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, 2007 to 2011.

Top Right: General Ashfaq Kayani, Pakistani army, ran Pakistani terrorism from 2004 as ISI Director, made Chief of the Army Staff in 2007.

Top: The photograph shows Admiral Mike Mullen welcoming General Ashfaq Kayani aboard the US aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln in 2008, though terrorists ran by the Pakistani military have killed thousands of Americans, from the USS Cole, to 9/11 to Afghanistan!

Bottom Left: In 2000, the USS Cole was bombed by Al Qaeda, killing 17.

Bottom Right: Osama Bin Laden, leader of Al Qaeda, was a secret agent of the Pakistani military intelligence service, the ISI, who gave him VIP protection.

As naive, gullible and foolish as to welcome the enemy

The evidence for Pakistan's secret terrorist war against the West can be viewed in the BBC's "SECRET PAKISTAN" videos.

Part 1 Double Cross

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Part 2 Backlash

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If we withdraw our forces from Afghanistan, Pakistan will have got off with 9/11, think it has made a fool of the US, will see the US's retreat from Afghanistan as Pakistan's victory and a green light for Pakistan to go on the offensive, perhaps giving (claiming theft) one of Pakistan's nuclear weapons to Al-Qaeda to use the nuke to blow up an American city or metro killing far more people than were killed in 9/11.



Then Pakistan will demand maybe $100 billion a year from the US to "help to secure" its nuclear weapons.

We are fools if we think this war is over just because we bring our troops home. It's very far from over.

We need a new strategy for this war

Pakistan is secretly at war with us. Pakistan denies it. We are in denial.

For years, the President and Congress have been spending American taxpayers' money to aid Pakistan.

All this time, Pakistan has funded terrorists and built nuclear weapons and perhaps this is why the American taxpayer money spent on Pakistan did not feature in President Obama's State of the Union speech.

We need a new strategy which defeats the Taliban (and Al Qaeda) by applying the Bush Doctrine versus those states which sponsor those terrorists - Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

Applying the Bush Doctrine versus Afghanistan alone makes as little strategic sense as it would have if we'd applied Cold War doctrine to say Cuba alone but not against the Soviet Union and its Eastern European client communists states!

It is a military fundamental that you don't win a war by funding your enemy but rather you win a war by bankrupting your enemy, cutting off the resources the enemy needs to sustain its army.

The correct, non-foolish war strategy, knowing what we know about Pakistan now, to fight this war is that our governments and military should change their policies in dealings with Pakistan

- from a non-ingenious, self-defeating policy of diplomacy and aid, combined with a limited drone campaign against Al-Qaeda and now fewer Taliban targets

- to a much more confrontational policy of ultimatums, sanctions and war against the Pakistani military and especially the Pakistani generals and former generals who dictate military policy to use the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence ("the ISI", a state within a state) to sponsor terrorism behind the window dressing of an elected but relatively powerless government of Pakistan.

It may be Christian in some ways to turn the other cheek to the ISI as it kills our soldiers, but it isn't waging war in a common sense fashion. It's more akin to appeasement than war-fighting.

It's like when a neighbour sets his savage dog to kill your child you only blame the dog and not the neighbour and you pay him money to keep him happy and to buy a new dog because the one he had got put down because it killed your child. That would be weak, stupid, lame and pathetic and no way to care for your children!

The US and NATO allies have the most powerful military alliance in world history and we are being made fools of on the battlefield by Pakistan - a military power which our taxpayers are paying money to!

This is really an absurd way to fight our war, with a blind eye as to who the enemy is.

We must end the farcical tragedy of our very stupid political and military leadership of this war!

We should apply massive pressure to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, up to and including war if necessary. Something fairly dramatic is needed to show the state sponsors of terrorism that their plan for a secret war against us with no chance of any blow-back has utterly failed and they are looking down the barrel of a real war with us or indeed are hearing the opening shots of that war in a way that is rather too close for comfort!

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???? But all your evidence points to Pakistani support of the Taliban, not Al Qaeda.

 

Wrong. Actually all the actual evidence points to Pakistan supporting both the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and other terrorist groups.

All that there is that points the other way is people's prejudice. TV viewers believed their eyes when they correctly saw Musharraf at the White House visiting President Bush, on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart and from then on believed their ears when they heard Musharraf's lies when he said he didn't know where Bin Laden was.

Once people have been fooled, until they have no option but to admit they have been fooled, they will stay in denial that they have been fooled because they don't want to admit they have been fooled.

People who are in denial about having been fooled will get angry at someone who says they have been fooled. So for many politicians it is easier not to speak truth to the power of the people.

Cowardly American politicians, and maybe Barack Obama is one such - will simply tell the American voters - "oh, no, I wasn't fooled, you the American people weren't fooled - Pakistan has never supported Al Qeada"

But all the evidence points the other way.

For example, no advance warning to Pakistan nor permission from Pakistan was sought for the US Navy Seals raid to get Bin Laden in his hide out near to the Pakistani military academy (the Pakistani equivalent of West Point).

The US intelligence didn't forewarn Pakistan because they believed that the Pakistani authorities would warn Bin Laden and move him to safety before the raid if they knew that the US were coming for him.

Previously, a raid to get the Al Qaeda, number 2, Ayman Al Zawahari had failed because on that occasion the US had forewarned Pakistan about the raid and someone had tipped off Al Zawahiri to flee. Without US intelligence being suspicious and having evidence which satisfied them that they could not trust Pakistan not to warn Bin Laden, the US would never have got Bin Laden.

This evidence was explained in the videos I posted above - the BBC's "SECRET PAKISTAN"


For example, Pakistan was able to hand over middle and lower ranking members of Al Qaeda to pacify President Bush precisely because they had them, they knew where they were, because they had been supporting Al Qaeda all along.

For example, the Taliban supported Al Qaeda.

Everything the Taliban does is with Pakistani military support - and so the Taliban's decision to use their own Pakistani support with which to support Al Qaeda had to depend on Pakistani's support too. We can also deduce that the other main Taliban-supporting countries of Saudi Arabia and the UAE also supported Al Qaeda because of their support for the Taliban.

For example, this reporter's source says that the Pakistani ISI ran a desk dedicated to looking after Bin Laden.

Pakistani ISI chief "knew of Bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad"
Lieutenant General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, was the Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan's main intelligence service, from October 2008 until March 2012.

Carlotta Gall's excellent article is consistent with the findings of the BBC's Panorama documentary "SECRET PAKISTAN" (2011).

The buck stops with the President, Obama. Why is Obama turning a blind eye to the enemy rooted in the Pakistani military?

This is not Obama, the community organizer, representing the interests of the American communities threatened by a Pakistani nuclear bomb which the ISI could give, claiming "theft", to their Al Qaeda terrorists for a devastating attack on the US homeland.

This is Obama, the peace-prize winner, wishing a legacy of "war is over", and welcoming advice to surrender Afghanistan to the Pakistani military from Pakistan's woman inside the White House, Robin Raphel.

This is Obama, the defamation lawyer, denying the incompetence of his Secretaries of Defense - Gates, Panetta & Hagel - and their Pentagon advisers who have founded their failing Afghan strategy on co-operation with the treacherous Pakistani military, depending on Pakistan's roads and air-space for US and NATO logistics purposes but at the price of taking off the table the winning Afghan and war on terror strategy of regime-change of Pakistan via policies of ultimatums, sanctions and war under the Bush Doctrine to root out the generals and former generals comprising the Pakistani military dictatorship which continues to sponsor jihadi terrorism and imperialism behind the scenes of an elected but relatively powerless government of Pakistan.


So get over it. You were fooled. We were all fooled.
Fooled once - shame on Pakistan.
Fooled twice - shame on us.

 

Why our leaders are so stupid? Bush was stupid and Kerry and Obama are the same. Perhaps, they are afraid of Pakistan, Pakistan has nukes.

 

Leaders require followers otherwise they are not really "leaders".

Consider then why do so many people follow stupid leaders?

There again, why do so many people follow sport? It's entertaining. They like to take sides. Does it matter if any of the team players is stupid? No.

No-one is surprised when a sports team player is stupid, doesn't know much apart from how to play the game, maybe score some goals, win some games, please the fans. Fans are easily pleased. If the team doesn't win one game, no worries because there will be other games. The fans stay loyal to the team anyway.

So why be surprised if a party politician is stupid, doesn't know much apart from how to please the party, maybe get elected sometimes, please the voters. Voters are easily pleased. If the party doesn't win an election, no worries because there will be other elections. Voters stay loyal to the party anyway.

Other countries have nukes but they don't get lots of US taxpayer dollars paid to them in military aid like Pakistan does, with which Pakistan can afford more military spending - to fund terrorism, to build more nukes or whatever.

In the cold war, the Soviet Union had a lot of nukes, many more than Pakistan, yet the US never paid the Soviet Union.

So US Presidents have been getting bad advice to pay Pakistan, from people like Robin Raphel, a former agent for the Pakistan government, who works now for the Obama administration, spending the aid money to Pakistan, so she has an incentive to keep the money to Pakistan flowing and to give bad advice accordingly.



And the president has been getting bad advice from poor military leaders like Chuck Hagel, his Secretary of Defense who suggests paying Pakistan to use their transit routes to Afghanistan.



A phrase that comes to my mind is "more money than sense".

The US is a very rich country so what for the US is an amount of money in aid payment to a poorer country which can be easily afforded by the US Congress, not so much money that it would be worth investigating too deeply, is for the receiver country, like Pakistan or Egypt, an amount of money which is a treasure beyond their wildest dreams for which they will spend many long years plotting to lie, cheat, murder, wage secret wars, using secret agent terrorists in a bad terrorist, good dictator routine and so on - all with a view to getting hold of that aid money from the US.

The US leaders don't have the sense to investigate very deeply to make absolutely sure that the US is not being conned out of their money. So the US gets conned by evil corrupt dictators like Musharraf of Pakistan and Mubarak of Egypt with tragic results.



This is also true for Saudi Arabia - more money than sense. The Saudi royals think they can secretly spend cash on global jihadi terrorism to try to extend the imperial control of their kingdom to other countries thinking naively their secret war mongering will never blow back on them.