USA to defend Europe!!!

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Ronstar, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. Art_Allm

    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    1. Russian Federation does not participate in the Ukrainian civil war yet.

    2. Most Ukrainians call themselves Russians. If you spit in the face of Russians, then you are spitting in the face of Ukrainian citizens, too.

    3. That is the reason why Ukrainian soldiers "en masse" desert the Junta-Government and join the Separatists, more and more Ukrainian weapons and military installations are now in the hands of Separatists.

    4. The Junta has to execute own soldiers, because they refuse to kill Ukrainian civilians.

    No, it will be not enough to supply the Junta with money and weapons, because the money will be stolen and the weapons will be taken by Separatists.

    Every killed Ukrainian child will create 100 new Separatists, and the Junta will be unable to win the civil war without an active involvement of the wannabe "World Government".
     
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    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    You have made my day!

    :D

    Why should RF attack Poland?

    Has Poland stolen Russian land, or has it stolen German land?

    Poland may want to take back Polish land that is now part of the Rest-Ukraine, after the "Soviet-Border-Ukraine" eventually collapses!

    That is the real danger!

    :D

    And how can anybody prevent this?

    I think that RF will not mind, if what will be left of Ukraine will become part of Poland, and it is up to Germany to claim back Danzig and other German land that was stolen after WWII.

    What to Königsberg- after the collapse of the SU the RF made a proposal to sell this land back to Germany, but Germany rejected this proposal (speak the people who control German government did not agree to this deal between the RF and Germany).
     
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    Yazverg Well-Known Member

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    No I said that Europe looked very natural in a paradigma of a fascist empire with superior nation at the top and the others lower nations a little bit lower. Such a principle always works until you have someone under your feet whom you can kick without being punished. I don't accept such a system of course.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    When has Europe not defended itself, and against whom?
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    And a good thing too. Why provoke the Russians any more than necessary?
     
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    The last century, against anyone.
     
  7. Fabien

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    Anyway. It is a fact that France and Germany are like sort of a dog and a cat who do love eachother nowdays and work hand in hand to solve as much they can in Europe. A miracle. And if the germans are attacked, the french would run to help them. That is 100% certain.

    As it is certain that Uncle Sam would not wait and let Germany be alone if any time Russia woud attack. Critics among friends is one thing. To abandon an other and both do not have the habbit of such behaviour.

    Things here in general also change to the better. I cannot remember a time in history after the alliance of germans and polish against the Ottoman Empire that Poland was happy that german troops will leave for Poland to support them in defending against russian pressure. Now german troops do go and Poland wants that.
     
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    a (1)

    1. Wrong, it does since they invaded Crimea
    2. Wrong again. Russian weappons are used from the terrorists.
    3. Wrong again, Putin does blackmale with gas
    4. Wrong again, direct rusian troops are involved as paid soldiers

    So all wrong about 1

    B (b)

    Wrong, Ukrainians are not russians. If they where, they would say so. They are not. That is in Putins wet dreams and in such dreams of other dreamers.
    Wrong, the Junta you do find in Kremlin. You should better carefully watch the news of the civilized world and not of the new USSR.

    Wrong. And wrong again: terrorists need to be executed if they do not obey. Well done Ukraine.

    MOD EDIT - Rule 6

    The freedom fighters will win. The civilized world is with our ukrainian friends.

    btw. Georgia might join Nato ^^

    Great
     
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    Don't bet on it, dude.

    Hussein Obama stood down a third of the US Army and carriers are alongside at Norfolk indefinitely awaiting refueling.
     
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    Russia should arm and assist Ukraine to arrest and prosecute the USA terrorist hijackers who invaded and have occupied Ukraine.
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    What had been done so far? Not much: Meanwhile, in Ukraine, pro-Russian separatists took control of a Ukrainian post in the country's eastern region of Luhansk. - this is from recent MSNBC News.
     
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    Nonsense. The only thing being protected was America's sphere of influence. The USA is not John Wayne and the 7th Cavalry and America's interests are paramount. You are naive if you believe otherwise.
     
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    all armed Stalinists in Ukraine should be given 24 hours to put down their arms or move to Russia.

    after that, they should be destroyed.
     
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    Please, give me a realistic way France or Britian could of competeted with Germany at the time, economically and politically. No? That's because it was not possible in the slightest.

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    shoot Chamberlain
     
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    As I have already told you, most Ukrainians call themselves Russians.
    Yes, they are Russians, but they are native Ukrainian citizens, they and their fathers lived in this region for many hundred years.

    Calling for an ethnic cleansing of the Ukraine of its native Russian population is the same as calling for the ethnic cleansing of Bavaria from its native German population.

    I can support all my claims with proves:

     
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    someone lied to you.
     
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    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Do you speak Russian or Ukrainian?
    Have you ever lived in the Ukraine?
     
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    Ask the Ukrainians who elected by 80% + their president if they are russians.

    Go ahead. As I would tell you that I am escimo. Or as you would tell swiss people they are germans. And swiss do not have (in the german speaking part) an other language from me as ukrainians do! These Ukrainians do learn other languages. Hard working people! But that does not make them beeing russian. They simply often like to learn languages. As me. But as I explained: I am not turkish because I know some.

    The real russians in Ukraine:

    They are mostly paid russian terrorists, send over the border. That's all. So they must leave and send back, normal. They can be happy,if they wont end up in ukrainian prison before. Putin did send them.
     
  19. Ronstar

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    lol...I have a Ukrainian immigrant and a Russian immigrant sitting right next to me as we speak.
     
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    What are you talking about?
    The last presidential election was boycotted by almost all Ukrainians in the South-East of the former Ukraine, and even on the territory of New Russia that are still under the control of the Junta.


    Here is what Oleh Soskin,
    http://soskin.info/en/ist/1/
    one of the advisers of the former Ukrainian president says:

    Translation:

    We are Slavs, we are Aryans, we are Scythians, we are the Rus [Russia].
    Your territory is Finno-Ugrig and Turkish, you are another ethnic group [race], with a different [original] non-Slavic language, your [original] language has nothing to do with the Russian language.

    You have also stolen our [Russian] language, and you have stolen the name of our state [Rus/Russia].

    The bandit Peter [Peter the Great] has stolen our name [Rus].


    That is the sick ideology of Ukrainian nationalists who are advisors of Ukrainian presidents.

    They believe that they are pure-blooded Russians, and that the Russians had stolen their Russian language and the name "Russia". According to this racists, Ukrainians are the Aryan Russians, and Russians are just Tatars who today speak Russian.

    The advisor of the Ukrainian president believes that Ukrainians are the REAL racial Aryan Russians, and that the Russians are in racial terms just Russian-Speaking Tatars or Mongolians.

    If you bash Russians, you automatically bash Ukrainians.

    Try some other method to instigate hate against Putin!
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Stalinist Russians prevented people from voting in the Lugansk and Donetsk Oblasts.
     
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    What has this to do with my question?
     
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    Putin's mass-murder of Chechens, his own people, his political opponents, his crack down on freedom of speech, press, and the media, his worship of the Soviet Union, is all one needs to hate Putin and hope he dies soon.
     
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    Have you any proves for your allegations?
     
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    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    This should be the job of international institutions, but these institutions are, unfortunately, subverted by the same people who are responsible for instigating hate between Ukraine and Russia.

    They do what they believe is in their own tribal interests, and they do not care about killed civilians.
     

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