USA worst President ever?

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USA worst President Ever

  1. Lincoln

    9.3%
  2. Clinton

    3.7%
  3. Obama

    68.5%
  4. Roosevelt

    4.6%
  5. Wilson

    12.0%
  6. Washington

    1.9%
  1. JBG

    JBG Well-Known Member

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    In my opinion, Obama is a traitor.

    I voted for FDR for several reasons. At least the Jewish blood on Obama's hand is limited to some victims of terror that didn't have to die, such as the Israeli students butchered last summer by Hamas. FDR bears a significant responsibility for the Holocaust's death toll. Note I didn't say the Holocaust. But he refused to do anything to increase the flow of Jewish refugees into the U.S. He did not pressure Britain into relaxing or revoking the White Paper. He did not order the destruction of the rails leading to concentration camps or the camps themselves.

    On non-Jewish issues Yalta was far and away the U.S.'s most craven surrender to an incipient enemy. Hopefully the magnitude of Obama's surrender to Iran will not come close. Also Israel probably will make that moot. Roosevelt was largely responsible for the enslavement of Eastern Europe and indirectly China. Unfortunately McCarthy's histrionics discredited domestic anti-Communism but Roosevelt's State Department was probably full of either Communists or sympathizers. McCarthy wasted time and good will going after dentists and destroying young people who made the mistake of attending a single campus meeting of a "red" group.

    But FDR takes the cake.
     
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    My only quibble with Washington is that he bore some responsibility for the ill-advised move of the U.S. capital from New York City to, first, Philadelphia and then Washington D.C. He was a strong promoter of the building of the capital city. That city is largely a sterile collection of government houses and museums.

    New York City is real life. Other than that Washington was a phenomenal President.
     
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    My rankings for worst President are:


    1. Nixon
    2. FDR
    3. Obama
    4. Carter
    5. Pierce
    6. Buchanan
    7. Fillmore
    8. Harding
    9. Wilson
    10. Eisenhower
    11. Johnson
    12. JFK

    My ranking for best Presidents (admittedly off topic) are:


    1. Washington
    2. Lincoln
    3. Theodore Roosevelt
    4. Truman
    5. Reagan (yes, I voted for Carter both times)
    6. John Adams (father, not Quincy but he was OK too)
    7. Jackson
    8. Polk
     
  4. perotista

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    About half of the historians polls do not rank Harrison. But even in the polls they do rank him and the other two they place asterisks next to their name explaining the amount of time spent in office. The also only rank Grover Cleveland once although he was the 22nd and 24th president.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'll let the historians rank the presidents I have not personally experienced mainly because we are going on the printed word. But me personally, I would rank Eisenhower as the best president I have personally experienced followed by JFK, Reagan and Clinton.

    I also voted for Carter twice, he was a fellow Georgian. I was too young to vote for JFK, one had to be 21 back then to vote. I also voted only once for Reagan, 1984 and never for Clinton preferring Perot twice.
     
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    My problem with Eisenhower was that he led the craven surrenders on various Chinese matters, Israel and Hungary. I read a book by Ambrose about him. It was supposed to be complimentary but was in fact damning. Test Ban was started by Eisenhower, so while I chalk that fiasco up to JFK he bears part of the blame. Why a fiasco? Because any Soviet violation of a treaty is predictable and punishable by a New York Times article. Since the U.S. is a democracy public pressure forces us to tow the line. I have a real problem with one-sided treaties.

    As far as JFK goes, there's Test Ban, his dimout on Berlin, and his attendance at a summit with Khrushchev for which is was inadequately prepared. And his romps in the pool with East German consular employees put the U.S. in danger of blackmail. While I don't believe in conspiracy theories, if there was one maybe his assassination occurred since his juvenile misconduct may have alarmed people in the know. Remember at the same time Macmillan was cashiered as Britain's PM for much the same reason though he survived.

    Shame on both of us, certainly in 1980. Though Reagan's ideas were untested and scary.
    As for Perot, I have a problem with voting for third parties. When I vote I vote for a President. Third parties have weird and unpredictable effects on the vote. For example in 1968 they arguably put Nixon into office (query did you vote for George Corley Wallace?). In 1980 both my mother and two of my closest friends voted for Anderson so the result isn't always bad. Maybe they sucked enough oxygen from Carter by steering states like Massachusetts and New York into the Republican column (a rare accomplishment) to give Reagan the mandate he needed for true greatness.
     
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    Anyone can quibble about "bests" and "worsts" and it invariably says more about their subjective perspective than it does about any empirical reality.

    E.g., The incumbent's current 49% approval/47% disapproval is so typical of his relentlessly middling numbers, it may well cast him as the most mediocre, yet there are always some extremists who will pronounce him the best or the worst. (His contrast with the loathsome opposition, Congressional Republicans now at 17% approval/73% disapproval, may actually make him appear a bit better than he actually is in contrast.)

    In my scrupulously objective, painstaking, precise and definitive comparative evaluation of modern-era Presidents, FDR and Eisenhower lead the pack. Dubya Bush and Jimmy Carter left the most room for improvement.
     
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    John Tyler (1790-1862)

    Served in the confederate house of representatives. This former president actually served a foreign power at war with the United States. The very definition of a traitor.


    This poll pops up every few months wierd
     
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    Yep, when I dislike or think the choices offered by the two major parties are bad choices. Call them the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate, I will vote third party for whom I think is the best candidate of all available candidates. Putting the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate into office still leaves you with a very bad winner.

    Third Party Candidates I voted for does include Wallace in 1968, then Perot twice, Browne twice and for Gary Johnson. I refuse to vote for a candidate only because he isn't quite as bad as the other guy.
     
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    The worst president ever was Reagan, who was not on your list.

    Why? Easy. With the return of republicans to power, they set America on the path that has and is hollowing out America by committing treason on working americans, sending their living wage jobs to communists, and turning this nation into a low wage service sector economy, which does not have the ability to get out of recessions by putting people back to work, as we did for all of our history since industrialization.

    Reagan set us on the path to transform American prosperity into poverty, sending the income back to the top, as it was when the republicans ruled in the 1920s before the crash of 29.

    The next worst is Clinton who put the death knell in the coffin of the middle class, by signing nafta, which was created by republicans and the corporations they represent. This effectively destroyed liberalism, a Chris Hedge lays out in his books. And liberalism was what protected the American workers from the greed of corporations and elites.
     
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    ^_- wo! I'm surprised Obama won so many votes. I am actually really surprised. Also surprised that there wasn't a Bush option, which I thought would get the most votes.

    I voted for FDR. He was a very effective President and got a lot of his legislation passed, but he was a leader who didn't care about his own people's political or economic rights and did more than any other President to curtail them, as well as truly lying us into war (with Germany, Italy, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria...). Not the half-hearted "well we didn't know what we know" kind of stuff that happened with Bush, but some genuine outright lies and abuse of power.
     
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    If America's enemy's could select our next president out of our list of past presidents, they would pick The Obama hands down. The rest of the presidents at least don't have the destruction of America on there minds.
     
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    Who did Bush kill? I wasn't aware he killed a single person. That would be like claiming Obama personally killed the innocent Pakistani wedding guests that were slaughtered by our drones.
     
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    remember the buck stops here thing?


     
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    I voted that Obama is worst. He is anti-Semitic, anti-Israeli and pro-Thug. He must be indicted ASAP since he is ruining our great country.
     
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    Netanyahu says he has been a great friend of Israel.

    and Obama has condemned the looters and rioters, so he is not pro-thug, unless you are calling Israel "thugs".
     
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    Excellent poll. I voted that Obama is the worst president ever.
     
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    George W. Nazi Bush, was the worst President.
     
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    Worst USA president ever? That'd have to be Bibi Netanyahu.
     
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    We should have a poll on the best president too. I would vote for Bush Snr and Bush Jnr and Reagan. All are fantastic.
     
  21. Ronstar

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    yes, Benjamin Netanyahu does rule the USA. but he's not President.
     
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    Okay, okay, you got me there. I confuse him for a president every time he shows up here.
     
  23. ArmySoldier

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    If we elected a dog named max as a President, he would do a better job than our current president.
     
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    6th Grade much?
     
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    Which is the ranking of the President of the Continental Congress between the declaration of independence and the approval of the Constitution of the United States?
     

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