Veterans to Congress: End Forever Wars

Discussion in 'Veterans' started by Ethereal, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is posting what I had said previously "Relative to other Muslim ME Nations" - changing the goalposts. On the contrary - it is telling you exactly where the goal posts are.

    Syria is a bastion of freedom by comparison with other Muslim nations in the region. .. a shining star on the hill.

    It is you that can not deal with with what is stated by Congress - that the US Gov't armed and supported a radical Islamist proxy army in Syria

    You can't deal with the fact that the US Gov't was on the side of evil - supporting the side that wanted to take away these freedoms and turn Syria into a totalitarian strict sharia theocracy.

    and so you have been engaging in avoidance tactics - and other mind bending fallacious gibberish.
     
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    Your argument is a conspiracy theory that even you question it's anything near the truth.

    My claim stands that there was no point of to work with communists for the elected government.
    It was just made up fake news by the US to install a violent puppet regime for the sake of lucrative oil deals.
    1000's of political prisoners were massacred for the sake of that the US regime gets rich.
     
  3. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Syria rated 175 out of 176 on the freedom index, only North Korea is worse. The US backed rebels of many different colours to try to oust Assad and install a better regime but you don't want that, do you?
     
  4. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    You keep harping on at that but it doesn't hold water, the West had a friendly regime rather than a communist dictatorship or a theocratic tyranny, look at all the good things the Shah did;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution

    Were people being hung from cranes on the streets of by the Shah? Were they being stoned to death?
     
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    He tortured political prisoners to death by the 1000's a year. I sourced that he did. And the US supported that, because they did not want to have a democratically independent Iran.
    The west replaced a democratically installed government where no communist was voted in, to install a fascist tyranny.
    There was no theocratic tyranny. You're just making it all up again.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no idea what the index you are referring to measures - and clearly - neither do you - as I have already defined the freedoms that exist in Syria - that do not exist in other Muslim Nations.

    I will list these freedoms again - but first define what freedoms you are referring to.
     
  7. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    Freedom of choice, freedom of religion, freedom of speech etc etc, I'm not comparing them to the rest of the Arab world, I'm comparing it to the Western democracies.
     
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    US didn't mind a democratically independent Iran, it didn't want a communist one, the west replaced a regime edging towards communist tyranny with one that was extremely progressive.

    Are you KIDDING me!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't care what you are comparing them to. You accused me of comparing to Western Democracies - when I stated clearly that the comparison was relative to other "Muslim" ME nations. You accused me of "changing the goal posts" - when it was you who "Changed the goal posts".

    So then - Syria - was a shining star with respect to the freedoms you list within the context of this discussion. The people of Syria were fighting to keep those freedoms - the radical Islamist proxy army was fighting to take those freedoms away.

    The one rule in Syria is "don't criticize the Gov't" - but this is in these other ME nations as well.

    In terms of all other "freedoms"

    In Syria you have drinking alcohol and dancing to western music in bars. In Saudi Arabia https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41019013

    Teenager arrested for dancing Macarena on Saudi street

    Syria had in its constitution "No Sharia" it was a secular system. No death penalty for adultery -apostasy- homosexuality - and so on. In El Saud not only are these laws on the books - they are enforced.

    In Syria women wear skirts and proper bathing suits - drive cars - don't need permission from a man to be educated - or to do anything for that matter - no male family member chaperone requited.

    There are Christian Churches - and Jewish Synagogues - Assad has Christian Generals in his army and other high bureaucratic positions.

    El Saud ? - not so much - nor other Muslim ME nations (sans a few exceptions like Lebanon )

    It is not some closely guarded secret - except to the US MSN propaganda show - that the people of Syria were fighting to keep their freedoms.

    It was the Syrian Army that were the "Moderate" Muslims - fighting to keep their freedoms - against the Radical Islamist Proxy army that the West sided with.

    There are many in this nation who share my disgust for our support of these criminals.

    Virginia Senator Thanks Syrian President Bashar Al Assad for Saving the Lives of Christians
    Open Letter of U.S. Senator Richard H. Black to President Bashar al-Assad Acknowledges US Support to Terrorists

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/virgi...ad-for-saving-the-lives-of-christians/5384338


    “My personal thanks to the Syrian Arab Army and Air Force for protecting all patriotic Syrians, including religious minorities, raped, tortured, kidnapped and beheaded at the hands of the foreign jihadists”…

    I cannot explain how Americans, who suffered so grievously at the hands of al-Qaeda, were tricked into supporting the jihadists.

    But I do know that many U.S. officials disagree with equipping and training the terrorists who penetrate your borders from the Kingdom of Jordan and through Turkey. Senator Richard H. Black of Virginia, 13th District

    The good Senator is talking about you (Bold)
     
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    The US did not replace a communist one.

    The country was a democracy, and the communists were completed voted out.
    Your claim it was going communistic is total bull.

    That link is about human rights since 1979's while the US uprooted a democratic government 20 years earlier.
    You really are ranting total nonsense.
     
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    Sooooo that food that is inspected on the regular, those banking regulations designed to create a more honest banking atmosphere is an injustice? Mmmmkay. Lots of platitudes in this thread that remind me of the jingoism of the Bush era.
     
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    There is a thing to be said about the blindness of the “freedum murika’” crowd. The inability and the offense taken when simple realities are exposed to them.
     
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    Especially those. And don’t be silly. Bush? A capitalist? Please.
     
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    Well...... tyrannize away? o_O
     
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    That voice in your head...? That’s me telling you. Now, stop mixing things up. You’ll only get confused.
     
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    Im just not sure on the specifics..... Haaay! Get outta my head!
     
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    Exactly.
     
  18. Reasonablerob

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    No one is arguing that the Saudis are angels but they are our friends and allies and our bulwark against Iran
     
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    The US prevented a communist takeover, people who kick the US over their pre-emptive action are simply trying to find a way to excuse the inexcusable for the Iranian theocratic dictatorship.
     
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    Western democracies?

    You mean the ones that have a long history of overthrowing legitimately elected governments so that their own puppets might be installed?
     
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    How does "but El Saud is our friend" justify leading a global effort to arm, support and supply a terrorist proxy army in Syria ?
     
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    I already proved that there was no communist take over. They didn't have any seats in the government of Iran.

    That has nothing to do with the coup.
     
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    That play the game of realpolitik to promote democratic values as the Cold War proved.
     
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    And I've proved it's irrelevant. You cannot blame the coup for the evils of the current Iranian regime
     
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    Promote democratic values? By routinely overthrowing democratically elected governments around the world?

    Somebody is kidding themselves......
     

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