Viktor Orbán, Defender of Christianity

Viktor Orban, Prime Minister of Hungary, is one of very few leaders in Europe, and indeed the whole of Western Civilization, that understands Judeo-Christianity is the rock upon which our civilization is built. Hostility toward Christianity has been growing throughout Europe and America and is the greatest threat to our future, IMHO. I could not be in greater agreement with Prime Minister.

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Viktor Orbán, Defender of Christianity

Just a day after the second World Conference on Persecuted Christians ended this November in Budapest, Hungary, a “reformed” jihadi terrorist stabbed two innocent people to death in London, before being shot by police. The inability of the liberal secularists, who are at the center of most Western governmental policies and who control most of the information the public receives via the media and academia, to comprehend the motivation for such an attack is the reason why they will only increase.

The London Islamist attack, one of many over the last decade in Europe, forced many to ask why certain European countries have been targeted regularly and why other countries have not been targeted at all. Hungary, the host nation for the conference and still the only nation in the world to have a specific governmental ministry devoted to the assistance of persecuted Christians everywhere, is regularly attacked by the European elites. Yet, strangely, it has not suffered a single Islamist attack. The unashamedly Christian Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, in a speech which should be seen as a clarion call for European renewal, stated that the “key” to Hungary’s survival over the last eleven hundred years was the adoption of Christianity—meaning, of course, Catholicism—by the great Hungarian king St. Stephen. This was a “spiritual rebirth and a true conversion.”

One answer or significant piece of evidence to affirm his contention goes back to the deliberate omission from the European Constitution of the foundational place of Christianity in the formation of all that is meant by the term “Europe.” At the time, St. John Paul, and then his successors, pointed out the grave danger this “forgetfulness” would bring to the future of Europe. Both Popes Benedict XVI and Pope Francis have spoken of the “spiritual vacuum” at the heart of secular Europe; a vacuum will eventually be filled and, as the demographics of Europe shift via massive immigration, what will fill the vacuum will be Islam.

The curious marriage between radical Islam and the secular liberalism of the elites in Europe is, at least on the surface, difficult to comprehend, but if Mr. Orbán is correct and it is essentially an attack on European culture and civilization, the ugly union becomes more obvious. On a spiritual level, secularism and radical Islam hate the cross and the victory it signifies. European civilization and culture is—or was—inescapably a Christian culture, and the hatred for that culture and history is almost a hallmark of the left. Academia and the media place all the ills of the world at the door of Western colonialism, oppression, and the evangelization of the Church. The recent Amazon Synod at the Vatican was a perfect example of how that mindset has entered the highest levels of the Church. The naïve glorification of “native cultures,” resplendent in a prelapsarian world in union with nature, then destroyed by the proclamation of the Gospel, was symbolized perfectly by the presence of the pagan fertility statue of Pachamama in the Vatican itself.

Europe, said Mr. Orbán, is “in deep trouble.” The cause he identifies is its deliberate and organized desire to forget or eradicate its Christian identity. The liberals are using what the Hungarian Prime Minister called the “muzzle of political correctness” to accomplish their death wish, which, coupled with the advancement of radical Islam, will eventually produce, if this self-loathing continues, a Europe that will be cut off from its roots. Any horticulturalist knows that a tree will die when it is rootless.

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All religions are equally hostile, and the only way they continue to survive is by the indoctrination of young impressionable minds, like a cult. One of these days, religion will be a thing of the past. It served its purpose in the early years of humanity, mostly as a form of control. In modern times, this is no longer necessary, and has become less and less effective over the years, as evidenced by the rise in numbers of people who are non-denominational...

 

You apparently have a very narrow view of religion if you think it's disppearing. Christianity, for instance, is losing membership in traditionally Christians areas such as North America and Europe but is growing strongly in areas such as Africa and Asia. Western civilization will eventually collapse and disappear but religion will still be going strong.

 

We see so-called liberals in the United States becoming increasingly hostile towards Christianity, while they reserve all of their criticism for Christianity.... So very precious few of them can muster an ill word to speak of Islam

 

I'm reminded of the story of a missionary who came into contact with a tribe that had never heard of Christianity or any other religion. The missionary told them that only those who accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior would be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. The tribal leader asked the missionary what happens to those who know nothing of Christ or Christianity and have never heard of it. The missionary told him that they would not suffer judgment because they did not know. The tribal leader, who up until this point had absolutely no knowledge of Christ or Christianity, then asked the missionary, "So why did you tell me?".....

 

Is the OP accurate?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...g-islamist-attack-prosecutors-say-2021-11-17/

 

Yes, the OP is accurate. The 22 year old was a Muslim, and Islam is precisely what Orban wants to protect Hungary's national culture from. Hungary has a long and unhappy history with Islam.

 

Victor Orbon is a dictator. He can defend Christianity all he wants. He himself is not a Christian.

 

And you my friend has very narrow understanding how Christianity flourish. In Africa and Asia Christianity is flourishing because Christian suffer in the name of Christ, Christians go on their knees and pray for the unbeliever to come to Chris, Christian walk with Christ and love their neighbor and enemy.

In the west, the so called Christian spread the hate monger and intolerance. Rather then love your enemy Christians load up with Ar-15. That’s why Christianity is disappearing in the west. Christianity is not disappearing in the west because of LGBTQ and unbeliever it is because of the so called Christians. The harvest ( LGBTQ/ Liberals/ Transgender/ gay/ lesbian / liberals who hate Christian ) is plentiful but the worker ( believer) are few.

 

I remember reading that Og was suggesting the very same thing to Dorf on their way to the mastodon hunt.

 

Steve Bannon said that Orban was "Trump before Trump."

Trump praises Hungary's authoritarian prime minister Viktor Orban during White House visit
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...prime-minister-viktor-orban/story?id=63011766

 

“Hungary has a multi-nationality root system and cultural background, but this is not multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is the cohabitation of people of various civilizations, the coexistence of Islam, Asian religions and Christianity. We will do everything under our power to spare Hungary from this. We gladly see investors, artists and scientists arriving from non-Christian countries, but we do not want to mix with them at the level of large masses of people.”

Words all white nationalists and racists can get behind.

 

if the bible were the truth, when someone read it, they would just go... duh, why didn't I see that before, there would be no need to defend the bible, it would just make sense, why doesn't the bible do this, because obviously man wrote the bible, not a God

 

Multiculturalism always ends in tribalism and ethnic conflict. Every nation needs a common culture or it will destroy itself. Hungary is doing the right thing.

 

Spirituality is a very personal thing - and one doesn't need an organized religion for that.

 

As a Christian, I believe trust in Jesus Christ alone will save a soul.

But the evangelical right thinks trust in nationalism will save them.

 

I agree with your first sentence and disagree with yiur second.

 

So, no argument there that that is a statement racists and white nationalism can get behind.
"Multiculturalism always ends in tribalism and ethnic conflict"? So that's what happened in US?

 

This has been the biggest mistake in the Black community, that is, making Black culture preeminent over American culture [although 20% of Black folks are doing quite well now].

If you look at all the groups that have assimilated well into the American fabric [and look to the Asians for re-writing that playbook], they have placed assimilating into the existing culture as primary [while still holding on to their individual culture as to what solidifies family/community].

Take East Coast cities as a perfect example of how all kinds of minority populations assimilated [mostly with great success] over the past two centuries, or even the Black Africans who have immigrated over the last couple of decades and have done quite well.

 

Our immigrants have for the most part assimilated into a common culture, not hanging on to old country tribal warfare. That's the point, a point made very clear to me by my Pastor, who is from Liberia, and several members of our congregation from Nigeria. When I took our pastor to get his Certificate of Naturalization he was the happiest guy in the world He lived through his country's ethnic wars and knew the inportance of a common culture. Not multiculture, common culture.

 

Very well put.

 

Funny.

White culture (capitalist imperialism) has been engaged in a lengthy campaign of destroying other cultures & plundering the world's resources - and then whines when other cultures begin seeping into theirs. Someone needs to inform these money-hungry career colonialists that if they want to keep their culture 'pure', they need to stop meddling in the affairs of other cultures.

Further, if white people were truly serious about keeping their race & culture pure, why do they so often rape, have sexual affairs with, or marry the people of other races they seek to conquer? What were white leaders expecting to happen - invade, take what they want, and not have to reap the consequences? It seems they want their cake and eat it too.

 

White nationalists and racists are behind your boy Orban and you are silent….hmmm
That’s not odd enough but there is the subject of the USA.
We are are a multicultural society. Your Liberian goes home to speak his language and eat his ethnic food. We have African Americans, Hispanics, Jews, South Asians, Native Americans and on and on. Orban is insisting on a single ethnicity and for the US that is anti-American if you believe that is what the US’s goal should be.

 

I'm not silent at all about Orban, I support him and his policies. Unlike leftists here in the U.S. Hungarians don't teach their children to hate their country.

Yeah, between you and my African and Caribbean friends guess who I'm going to trust.

 

Well , if one believe “ trust in Jesus Christ alone” is sufficient then this entire thread is meaningless.

Christ who “built his church upon this rock” doesn’t need anyone to defend Christianity. Jesus the living God doesn’t need Victor Orban to defend it, Christ doesn’t need you, I or any other man to defend Christianity, Jesus is capable to defend Christianity on his own.

People who don’t put their complete faith in Christ thinks man needs to defend Christianity.