Violence & Divisiveness following Mr Trump.....Everywhere!

Many people in this forum as well as other forums have stated how they believe Donald Trump is not truly a racist, and that he only says & does the things he does to gain support or get the crowds excited.

Mr. Trump himself has all but made the same claims, and he's very honest about spooling people up to keep the energy going.

Whether or not Donald truly feels or believes in his heart all the negative, hateful things he says & does is not for me to say. I don't want to believe that he genuinely feels this way, and he has to know that in a country as diverse as this one, that type of sentiment would eventually turn everybody off and divide the country.

Whatever he truly feels, his supporters are definitely, truly ginned up, and ready for action. The Trump campaign rallies are slowly taking on the resemblance of WWF events complete with people being dragged out, spit on, and beat up while the crowds cheer. (ugly)

Certain people that have attended his events are being stalked weeks afterwards, and are receiving death threats. TV news personalities have been accosted at these events, and have been told point blank that they should leave in order not to be hurt.

All of these instances of violence have been from "white" Trump supporters directed towards only people of color of all nationalities........except other whites. (coincidence?)

White supremacist groups have openly claimed support for Trump with nothing more than a mere whisper from Donald himself saying "no thanks" while he simultaneously tells them: "I understand your anger". (a passive, aggressive acceptance of support?)

This is a person who wants to be president of the greatest melting pot experiment in the world, an experiment that created some of the most technological breakthroughs the world will ever see, an experiment that forged a nation of which most other nations aspired to be.

The tragic irony here is that President Obama has been consistently accused throughout his presidency of tearing this country apart, while Donald (during this campaign to become the next president) has done more damage in these few weeks & months than any other force of nature.

I ask all of you to please take the time to sift through some of these stories below (of which there are dozens) and ask yourselves honestly if you believe what this man is doing is presidential or worthy of your vote.

America has grown even uglier since Donald has thrown his hat into the race, and it's truly about time that all of you Donald supporters asked him to tamper it down, and stick to policies that will enrich all of our lives, and knock off all of the hate & division speech.

I have no problem with Donald being the next president if that's what the country decides as long as he's going to represent & fight for all of us.

But I have a huge problem with a presidential candidate that doesn't have the presence of mind to bring people together while he's campaigning or a candidate that gets people hurt because he's so blinded by his selfish obsession to see his polling numbers inch up.

I Tweeted About Donald Trump. Here's How People Responded.
"Go back to Africa" was one of the more polite messages.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/i-tweeted-about-donald-trump_us_56cdd804e4b041136f18fc9a

After Protesting at a Trump Rally, I'm Being Targeted By Islamophobes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rose-...eing-targeted-by-islamaphobes-_b_9305788.html

Trump's Success Shows Republicans Are Choosing Anger Over Conservative Ideas
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/susan-j-demas/trumps-success-shows-repu_b_9293624.html

Some Trump Supporters Think Lincoln Was Hasty In Freeing The Slaves
Apparently, he shouldn't have issued the Emancipation Proclamation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry..._56ce0d74e4b041136f193f7f?utm_hp_ref=politics

Donald Trump’s Anti-Muslim Rhetoric Caused 19 Acts of Domestic Terrorism Last Week
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12...c-caused-19-acts-domestic-terrorism-week.html

White supremacists claim Trump as their new best friend: Groups claim candidate's anti-Muslim rhetoric has caused a spike in popularity of their websites and the KKK.
•Hate groups across the U.S. are capitalizing on Trump's powerful rhetoric
•White supremacy website Stormfront has claimed a traffic spike of up to 40 percent
•Leaders say it's because Trump has made it permissible to speak openly about anti-immigration
•Monitors of U.S. hate groups are warning that the billionaire's rhetoric encourages racism and violence
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...up-forced-upgrade-cope-increased-traffic.html

White supremacist groups see Trump bump
“He has sparked an insurgency,” Stormfront founder says
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/donald-trump-white-supremacists-216620

I've experienced a new level of racism since Donald Trump went after Latinos
Tina Vasquez: “I have never been asked the type of questions I’m now fielding from white people – and I’m not the only one”
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/09/donald-trump-racism-increase-latinos

TIMELINE: Trump’s Racial Demagoguery Is Having Dangerous, Real-Life Consequences
http://americasvoice.org/blog/a-tim...ry-is-having-dangerous-real-life-consquences/

Trump on rally protester: “Maybe he should have been roughed up”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-punched-at-donald-trump-rally-in-birmingham/

Donald Trump supporters spit on immigration activist as rally turns violent
Watch a Trump rally in Virginia turn violent after The Donald revs up the crowd with anti-immigrant rhetoric
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/15/don..._immigration_activist_as_rally_turns_violent/

Donald Trump on protester: “I'd like to punch him in the face”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nald-trump-nevada-punch-in-the-face/80793586/

 

So you want a president who is afraid to offend anyone, kinda like the one we got now huh?

Our best presidents have been offensive, would you like some racist quotes from some of your democratic leaders throughout history?

Truman has some good ones.

Political correctness should not dictate policy.

 

Donald Trump goes way beyond trying to avoid political correctness into: "let me get these people as riled up as possible no matter what the consequences are".

Like I said in my post, it's not fair for me to say if he truly feels that way, but his rhetoric is causing problems everywhere, and that's not what a presidential candidate should be about.

Not in my opinion anyway.

 

Trump is not creating anything. He can make one statement and the media and the left turn into some huge amazing controversy. Trump has nothing to do with this. Trump is not the one giving himself 24/7 news coverage.

Had the media and the democrats simply ignored trump he would probably be out of the race by now.

 

I think he's attracting some kind of protest vote from a despairingly frustrated electorate owing to the tried, tested, and failed established parties' and their respective candidates, none of whom have any gravitas whatsoever.

 

What policy? This is all about rhetoric and divisiveness. It’s not about “being offensive” as you suggested either, it’s about driving wedges in to the divisions in your society and playing groups of people off against each other so he can pretend to be standing up for the biggest voting groups so they vote for him.

To be fair, it’s the same kind of thing most other politicians do too, it’s just that Trump seems to have made it the singular core of his campaign and is disturbingly effective at it.

 

How many people have they beaten up and/ or killed?

Now lets look at the results of the left's rhetoric and divisiveness towards whites and cops - continually calling them racists, bigots and privileged. Results: Dead cops, the knockout game, revenge murders/ rapes, disproportionate black on white rape, riots, looting and private property destruction.

Strange how lefties suddenly get all afraid at even the sniff some of their own medicine might be coming their way.

 

Trump represents the "Put White back into the White House" movement that began when President Obama was inaugurated in 2009.

 

Well you can stop that if Sanders or Clinton wins........oh wait....

 

You seem to forget that the people he made those comments about are not in our society. He is speaking about immigrants.

 

Obama is bi-racial.....

 

There are lots of immigrants who are very much part of your society, not to mention all the Americans who were immigrants or the children of immigrants who get lumped in with the simplistic rhetoric. There are similarly lots of people in your society who are Muslim.

It’s not just about division between the people in the groups politicians target and those who aren’t but also about division between the people who (think they) agree with him and those who don’t. Anyone who disagrees with his ideas are dismissed as un-American (one of the worst possible insults over there) and deemed the enemy, the blockers to “making America great”. Rather than politics being about convincing others of your ideas, it has become about fighting and beating down (usually verbally) those who refuse to accept your ideas outright.

Again, Trump is far from the first and only guilty party in this, he’s just a very high-profile and shameless user of that political environment.

 

For 8 years Obama has been a divisive president, and he enjoyed it. Sometimes you reap what you sow. Americans are angry at the way our country has been led. Libs live in a bubble, but now they are seeing firsthand just how angry people are at the government and the PC environment. Not just in one part of the country, but all over...Trump is tapping into that disenchantment---he is not creating it because it was already there. The president is supposed to work for us, but Obama went rogue long ago.

 

Trump is not talking about legal immigrants here, he is talking about illegals and those who wish to come. And frankly he is winning because every time someone puts forth a policy against these groups they are labeled a racist. Want to change our immigration policy you must be a racist. Disagree with Obama you must be a racist. Want voter ID you must be a racist.

People are sick of these stupid liberal labels.

 

Regardless of what he might think he’s talking about, how people (supporters and opponents) interpret his words is what has the real impact. Because his statements are so often rhetorical headline grabbers, they don’t carry the kind of nuances you’re suggesting.

That some of his opponents are also rhetorical and divisive isn’t a defence for the him being so too. Yet again, I’m pointing out a systematic problem that Trump is just taking best advantage of. Supporting him on the back of this (which is all he’s offered) is supporting this form of politics though so you’re in no position to complain when others play the same game.

”Liberal” is a stupid label.

 

Trump is essentially promising the same thing Obama did hope and change but because he does so in different words and language you can't stand it...

 

so what you are looking for is a POLITICALLY CORRECT president,someone that speaks in washington-eze,TRUMP Speaks AMERICAN ,
every single person that is running for president is owned by their respective parties but TRUMP.
like him or not,NOBODY OWNS TRUMP.

RUN DON RUN

 

There's a fine line between offending someone, and violent acts happening at rallies or elsewhere, because of hate speeches. Choke it up, the Mexican and Muslim speeches are hate speech. Did you even look at those links?

 

I would have to admit that your partially correct here and I'm extremely disappointed in the way the media has handled Donald. All of the major media networks should have given him the cold shoulder, and saved all of us from his nonsense, but that's all too late now.

Donald will definitely be the GOP nominee, and Hillary will definitely be the left's nominee.

Honestly the only two things I see at this point stopping this runaway train otherwise know as "Donald Trump" is either Donald himself by committing suicide in one of the debates against Hillary by saying something so stupid and so extreme that even his most ardent supporters can't stomach it - or America at some point waking the f*ck up when they realize they're about to put a self-absorbed, trigger happy, egomaniac in the Whitehouse that has the codes to nuclear weapons.

I never thought people could be this stupid as to allow Donald to get this far but then again, this is the new America where common sense & decency no longer exists in most places.

Yes, I'm sure people said all the same things about President Obama 7 years ago, and they were biting their nails hoping he wouldn't win but I knew all along that Barack Obama wasn't the monster the right painted him to be.

Just as I realize that Donald isn't the ignorant, barbaric, racist that he tries to sell himself just to connect with voters who actually are. I know that Donald would tamper it down if he were to get elected, but he would also degrade & bring the presidency of this country to a new low that none of us have ever witnessed before, and the entire world would lose all respect for this country.

I fully understand that many people here could care less about those things but they are important because image is everything, and having Donald Trump as our next president would be disastrous on so many levels one doesn't know where to begin.

To summarize it all up, what bothers me the most about Donald and his campaign is how he panders to the lowest common denominator, and how that's resonating. I realize that people are saying that they support him for all these other reasons like him not being a career politician, and so on & so forth but the real reasons why so many people are supporting him is much more dark & sinister.

The reasons are ugly, and they can't be discussed because people in here and out there do nothing but deny these things. The reasons why people support Donald to me are unconscionable & beyond disgusting, and I'm deeply ashamed of most of my fellow countrymen for it.

Believe it or not I would actually support Donald if his approach was completely different, and he behaved more statesmen-like & presidential, if he was much more inclusive & respectful of all in his speeches, if he sent the message to everybody that he was going to use his business skills to lift all boats while protecting "everyone" that's currently here, if he was going to work on all of our problems while not throwing anybody to the curb or keeping others out while he did it, if he could walk & chew gum (as the president likes to say).

But Donald hasn't said any of that, and all he's done is create tensions & divisiveness while pandering to millions. Those tensions are spilling out of his rallies into real life, and none of it is any good.

I once respected Donald Trump many years ago when I lived in Jersey, and I would frequent his casino's & hotel's in Atlantic City & NY. I thought he was brash & arrogant but I also liked his NY edgy-ness. All of us in this part of the country are attracted to that type of dynamic, but I hate what he's become. I hate the way he's manipulating people, and I hate what I'm seeing & sensing.

Presidents should bring people together, presidential candidates should act presidential, and all Donald is doing is dragging our country into the sewer with his carnival antics.

Lets see how it all shakes out......

 

Understood, but he's also throwing gasoline on top of mini fires that others have been trying to put out......

His brand of campaigning & rhetoric is not what this country needs right now, and it's not based on the principals that this country was built upon.

Being popular by being negative is always a lose / lose situation, and the only thing Donald Trump is doing is bringing out the worst & ugliest in people.

Pure & Simple.......

Over here, we have a saying that goes: "your either part of the solution or your part of the problem"

Lately Donald has only been part of the problem.

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Exactly, Exactly, Exactly...........................

 

Plain old authoritarianism.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/23/11099644/trump-support-authoritarianism

 

Absolutely wrong, and so off base that I need a rocket ship to reel you in.

Young kids in urban areas or in the suburbs "wilding out" have absolutely nothing to do with democratic policies or democrat campaigns which is what this thread is all about so lets focus shall we.

You going off on tangents about what kids are doing because you want to use any thread or post possible to take the opportunity to slam minorities doesn't help here. (and oh-by-the-way that's exactly what your doing and its painfully obvious)

Show me how many people get beat up at Sanders or Clinton's or Carson's or Rubio's or Kasich's or Cruz's rallies. (which is what this thread is about)

Show me how many people are being followed & stalked through social media or in person once they've left a Sanders or Clinton's or Carson's or Rubio's or Kasich's or Cruz's rally.

Show me a rally where Sanders or Clinton or Carson or Rubio or Kasich or Cruz actually applauds & eggs on what their campaign thugs in the audience are doing.

You can't..........

Go back to the original thread and actually click on the links, read the stories this time, that's your new America my friend, that's the "Donald Trump Affect", that's what Donald trump has created.

Are you proud of any of it................?

 

DONALD TRUMP speaks AMERICAN,there is nothing PC about DONALD TRUMP,you must live in a bubble,where i come from you stick your face where it does not belong you just might get it shoved in.
people like you that seem tho thank TRUMP voters are some how idiots are amusing to say the least ,the polls say people with degrees are for rubio.
that is funny i have a degree and i support TRUMP, we do not need a guy that thanks we should rewrite article 6 of the CONSTITUTION,nor do we need a lawyer that can not handle his money handling ours.
the only person that is running that has built anything is DONALD TRUMP,anyone that thanks DONALD TRUMP is an idiot is just in denial.like the RNC.


RUN DON RUN

 

Wrong Spooky......

Re-read what HonestJoe wrote without your political glasses, and you'll see what he's saying has nothing to do with Trump talking "about" immigrants.

HonestJoe said this:

"it’s about driving wedges in to the divisions in your society and playing groups of people off against each other so he can pretend to be standing up for the biggest voting groups so they vote for him."

Focus on that, put yourself in a neutral state and focus on that........

 

Ok, I've seen the "Obama is tearing this country apart" nonsense almost from day one 7 years ago and I'll ask you some questions that I've been asking people for years now.

How exactly......?

What exactly did he do to tear the country apart?

What policy of his got voted on, and passed that led to people beating others up at campaign rallies? (which is what this thread is about in case you missed it)

What state of the union address speech did he give where people felt the need to take to the streets immediately afterwards and lose their minds because of something the president said?

What negative, racist remark, has the president EVER made about any ethnic group in this country?

Saying something or repeating a lie a million times doesn't make it true.

Now, solid examples of everything I asked for by 5:00 today, or you failed your midterm, you'll have to come back for summer school, and their will be a letter sent home to your parents...................plus school detention just for making me work this hard.