Virginia ends CCW reciprocity with 25 states

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-gun-permits-from-25-states.html?intcmp=hpbt3

Virginia has ended concealed-carry reciprocity with 25 states.

Why? Cause these states were allowing convicted drug dealers, convicted stalkers, and those who were fugutives from the law, to get a concealed-carry permit.

That is insane. Virginia did the right thing.

 

The 4473 is submitted to the feds for background checks. The FFL submits nothing to the state to determine who gets a CCW and who does not.
It's the Feds call.

 

I don't buy it. FL has the same restrictions--on convicted felons, etc., yet FL is on the list of states that no longer have their CCW permits accepted.

Here is a list of the FL law restrictions:

http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Div...ealed-Weapon-License/Eligibility-Requirements

Here are the Virginia requirements:

 

VA's requirements are stronger than FL's.

 

Point out the difference...

 

its right there in plain English

 

Good for them.

 

You're telling me that people with a felonious record are going to go through the red tape of getting a concealed carry permit, submit finger prints, and wait to get a CHL? You're telling me that someone with a criminal record is going to choose to NOT carry because their permit isn't honored when they can just carry anyway? How many convicted drug dealers actually bother getting a CHL as opposed to those who just carry anyway laws be damned? Congratulations this is the most idiotic bull(*)(*)(*)(*) you've posted.

 

The master of deflection....

 

You are correct. Criminals dont get CHLs. There is no evidence that CHLs are committing crime. In fact it is quite opposite.

 

you can't read the posted info?

its right there

Here is a list of the FL law restrictions:
Eligibility Requirements

•You must be 21 years of age or older.
•You must be able to demonstrate competency with a firearm.
•Unless you are serving overseas in the United States Armed Forces, you must currently reside in the United States (U.S.) AND be a U.S. citizen or deemed a lawful permanent resident alien by Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS). If you are serving overseas in the U.S. Armed Forces, submit a copy of your deployment documentation with your application. Those who are 'Resident Aliens' must provide a valid Permanent Resident Alien card.

Possible Reasons for Ineligibility:
•The physical inability to handle a firearm safely.
•A felony conviction (unless civil and firearm rights have been restored by the convicting authority).
•Having adjudication withheld or sentence suspended on a felony or misdemeanor crime of violence unless three years have elapsed since probation or other conditions set by the court have been fulfilled.
•A conviction for a misdemeanor crime of violence in the last three years.
•A conviction for violation of controlled substance laws or multiple arrests for such offenses.
•A record of drug or alcohol abuse.
•Two or more DUI convictions within the previous three years.
•Being committed to a mental institution or adjudged incompetent or mentally defective.
•Failing to provide proof of proficiency with a firearm.
•Having been issued a domestic violence injunction or an injunction against repeat violence that is currently in force.
•Renouncement of U.S. citizenship.
•A dishonorable discharge from the armed forces.
•Being a fugitive from justice.
http://www.freshfromflorida.com/Divi...y-Requirements

Here are the Virginia requirements:
Persons Not Qualified to Obtain a Permit – Section 18.2-308.09
1.An individual who is ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:1, 18.2-308.1:2 or Section 18.2-308.1:3 or the substantially similar law of any other state or of the United States.
2.An individual who was ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:1 and who was discharged from the custody of the Commissioner pursuant to Section 19.2-182.7 less than five years before the date of his application for a concealed handgun permit.
3.An individual who was ineligible to possess a firearm pursuant to Section 18.2-308.1:2 and whose competency or capacity was restored pursuant to former Section 37.1-134.1 or Section 37.2-1012 less than five years before the date of his application for a concealed handgun permit.
4.An individual who was ineligible to possess a firearm under Section 18.2-308.1:3 and who was released from commitment less than five years before the date of this application for a concealed handgun permit.
5.An individual who is subject to a restraining order, or to a protective order and prohibited by Section 18.2-308.1:4 from purchasing or transporting a firearm.
6.An individual who is prohibited by Section 18.2-308.2 from possessing or transporting a firearm, except that a permit may be obtained in accordance with subsection C of that section.
7.An individual who has been convicted of two or more misdemeanors within the five-year period immediately preceding the application, if one of the misdemeanors was a Class 1 misdemeanor, but the judge shall have the discretion to deny a permit for two or more misdemeanors that are not Class 1. Traffic infractions or reckless driving shall not be considered for purposes of this disqualification.
8.An individual who is addicted to, or is an unlawful user or distributor of, marijuana or any controlled substance.
9.An individual who has been convicted of a violation of Section 18.2-266 or a substantially similar local ordinance, or of public drunkenness, or of a substantially similar offense under the laws of any other state, the District of Columbia, the United States, or its territories within the three-year period immediately preceding the application, or who is a habitual drunkard as determined pursuant to Section 4.1-33.
10.An alien other than an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States.
11.An individual who has been discharged from the Armed Forces of the United States under dishonorable conditions.
12.An individual who is a fugitive from justice.
13.An individual who the court finds, by a preponderance of the evidence, based on specific acts by the applicant, is likely to use a weapon unlawfully or negligently to endanger others. The sheriff, chief of police, or attorney for the Commonwealth may submit to the court a sworn written statement indicating that, in the opinion of such sheriff, chief of police, or attorney for the Commonwealth, based upon a disqualifying conviction or upon the specific acts set forth in the statement, the applicant is likely to use a weapon unlawfully or negligently to endanger others. The statement of the sheriff, chief of police, or the attorney for the Commonwealth shall be based upon personal knowledge of such individual or of a deputy sheriff, police officer, or assistant attorney for the Commonwealth of the specific acts, or upon a written statement made under oath before a notary public of a competent person having personal knowledge of the specific acts.
14.An individual who has been convicted of any assault, assault and battery, sexual battery, discharging of a firearm in violation of Section 18.2-280 or Section 18.2-286.1 or brandishing of a firearm in violation of Section 18.2-282 within the three-year period immediately preceding the application.
15.An individual who has been convicted of stalking.
16.An individual whose previous convictions or adjudications of delinquency were based on an offense which would have been at the time of conviction a felony if committed by an adult under the laws of any state, the District of Columbia, the United States or its territories. For purposes of this disqualifier, only convictions occurring within sixteen years following the later of the date of (i) the conviction or adjudication or (ii) release from any incarceration imposed upon such conviction or adjudication shall be deemed to be "previous convictions."
17.An individual who has a felony charge pending or a charge pending for an offense listed in 14 or 15.
18.An individual who has received mental health treatment or substance abuse treatment in a residential setting within five years prior to the date of his application for a concealed handgun permit.
19.An individual not otherwise ineligible pursuant to this section, who, within the three-year period immediately preceding the application for the permit, was found guilty of any criminal offense set forth in Article 1 (Section 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of this title or of a criminal offense of illegal possession or distribution of marijuana or any controlled substance, under the laws of any state, the District of Columbia, or the United States or its territories.
20.An individual, not otherwise ineligible pursuant to this section, with respect to whom, within the three-year period immediately preceding the application, upon a charge of any criminal offense set forth in Article 1 (Section 18.2-247 et seq.) of Chapter 7 of this title or upon a charge of illegal possession or distribution of marijuana or any controlled substance under the laws of any state, the District of Columbia, or the United States or its territories, the trial court found that the facts of the case were sufficient for a finding of guilt and disposed of the case pursuant to Section 18.2-251 or the substantially similar law of any other state, the District of Columbia, or the United States or its territories.

 

Nope.. don't see any glaring differences.
They say that Fl. is giving CWLs to convicted drug dealers, convicted stalkers, and those who were fugutives from the law, to get a concealed-carry
permit. I'd say that the Florida requirement specifically bar these people from attaining a CWL.

 

In fact I'm willing to bet my left testicle that even if confusing reciprocity laws did catch ANY real criminals far more people busted are law abiding citizens who didn't realize their permit wasn't honored. I've got a pocket knife and camera handy if anyone can prove me wrong.

 

Persons having committed a felony cannot buy a weapon legally, let alone pass required background check for conceal carry permit.
Of the 25 states banned from reciprocal conceal carry, all but two states have Republican or Independent governors, exceptions being Delaware and Pennsylvania.
No that I believe this has anything to do with Virginia's decision, I'm just saying I took the time to look.
Virginia did the wrong thing.

 

It's the duty of the conceal carry permit holder to know each states laws.
Why we haven't got 48 state reciprocal carry is beyond me.

 

Because the 9th Amendment doesn't mean dick these days. They want to dismantle the 2nd brick by brick by demanding more bans and restrictions on a national level. Whatever gun rights are left over after that aren't personal rights they are rights the state can choose to further restrict.

 

Question for you..

What's the difference between Constitutional carry and legal carry?

If you can answer that question then you're secure 2nd Amendment rights are going nowhere.
What we're "allowed" to carry by law is a different issue entirely and that's the fight we're fighting.
Leave 2nd Amendment out of that discussion, what should be discussed are the technical aspects of weaponry, like cyclic rates.

Here's a good question for the raging hoplophobe...

What's the cyclic rate difference between a revolver and say a 100+ year 1911 semi-automatic weapon?

I've yet to have that question answered by an anti-gunner.
If it is not answered by the challenger, they've no business in a discussion of "gun control".

 

Constitutional Carry is accepted in Arizona and I think in Maine. You are guaranteed the right to carry as it is considered a 2A right. Legal Carry is the red tape you have to go through in other states to get a permit and to make sure when you cross state lines you are in compliance with the new state's carry laws. I support nationwide Constitutional Carry, but even universally accepted carry permits would be an improvement over the stupid system we have now.



Also in response to your question of revolver v semi auto I like to share this with the rest of the class.

[video=youtube;lLk1v5bSFPw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw[/video]

 

It's doubtful, since they'll be rejected. But this is good. Why make it easy for "bad guys" to get guns?

 

Jerry Miculek is the example I use every single time. That said today's modern revolvers have capacity between 5 and 15 plus rounds so the argument over capacity is put down.
Jerry Miculek is also the person who put high capacity debate to rest when he easily maintained the same rate of fire using 10 round verses 30 round magazines.

 

Can you explain to me how refusing an out of state CHL is going to make it any harder for a bad guy to get a gun? I should get some popcorn started because I'm really interested in hearing how refusing to let a law abiding citizen from North Carolina carry their gun will make it any harder for a drug dealer to get a gun.

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15 round revolver? I gotta see that.

 

Also, constitutional carry says you have the right to bear arms.
Legal carry dictates what type of firearm you're legally allowed to carry.

 

He said modern revolvers so I was hoping for something that is both available commercially and isn't pinfire.

 

Why make it difficult for honest citizens when criminals will anyway?