Volleyball Girls Banned From Locker Room For Refusing To Change In Front Of Boy Masquerading As Girl

What ideas are you referring to?

 

Why would you need 20 shower stalls? Surely two for each gender would be enough for those who want to shower (because only a small percentage will want to, I'm assuming). And why would you need 'locker locations'? What are these lockers used for?

 

You really don't have any knowledge of the topic, so I'm not sure why your weighing in.

 

I think the mistake (in America) is in the timing. Here, anything likely to produce a sweat is always done at the end of the day. Kids really shouldn't be put into a situation where they have to take a shower at school, and it's easily avoided by timing activities right.

More importantly, the time it takes to shower and change must negatively impact teaching time. It has to be eating into classroom time!

 

Hence my asking questions.

 

Well no, you can't very well facilitate the entire school at the end of the day

 

Ok fair enough.

The American school system has concentrations on both physical education which encompasses both classroom based health ed and sex ed as well as physical requirements like running a mile, games, swimming, team sports and more.

Additionally extra curricular activities range from performing arts to chess or scholastic teams to competitive sports.

As a result if all of these activities, showering facilities are available for both hygienic needs as well as changing, for example kids on the competitive swim team are not going to wear their swimsuits all day prior to boarding the bus to head to another school for a competitive event

Many of these sports practice before school and student go straight to practice using the locker room and showers before school to prepare.

I'm not sure where you are from but this is all pretty standard here.

 

I can't believe that something would ever happen. About this dude that dressed like a girl, I consider him sick in the head for doing such a thing.

 

You can, actually. We've always done it here ... never been a problem. In some larger schools (over about 1500 students), they might do Juniors on one afternoon, and Seniors on another, but that's still a LOT of kids all going to sport at the same time.

 

We do, also .. but very little of it is mandatory past a certain age, and even when you do have to do some kind of sport, it's your choice as to which you do. We have things like hiking, golf, tennis, netball, soccer, softball, swimming, etc. Most of this is done elsewhere, as our schools don't have extensive sports facilities. Kids are bused to different locations after lunch on sport day, then bused back in time for the end of the school day.

We also have extra-curriculars, but they're mostly the drama/music type groups. Sporty kids tend to prefer external clubs (for soccer, tennis, etc), than school teams. There are school teams of course, but they don't get a lot of numbers .. and NO ONE is interested in watching them play. Zero interest from the general student body.

Our school teams practice sport after school. The before school stuff is almost exclusively the drama/music groups. Again, timing makes a difference!

 

Schoolgirls Banned From Locker Room For Refusing To Change With Boy (thefederalist.com)
I consider this an insult to injury to the girls' volleyball team. The boy who crossdressed, ought to be suspended.

 

So far, you have failed to demonstrate how this case violates the law. did you want to try again?

 

we have high schools of 4000 students.
6-7 classes per day. 30-40 average students per class, 10-12 min per “dressing/shower” with each student taking roughly 5 min shower, you’re looking at banks of 15 plus shower cubicles with individual hot water valves or tiled enclosures, not to mention the increased water use and waste. This gets incredibly expensive very quickly.

Your problem is scale.

 

gender discrimination in a public school, it's not allowed

 

That is when the light is best for filming!

 

This is stupid. Anybody who calls a locker room an "intimate space" doesn't know what they're talking about. I get changed at the gym and don't look at anybody. I wouldn't know since I'm not looking for it but probably there are guys stronger than me there who are gay, but it doesn't matter at all. Nobody is doing anything wrong unless they harass me. I'd need more details I guess on exactly what went down (e.g. regarding the inappropriate comment), but it sounds like the girls are being unreasonable.

 

You think it's unreasonable for teenage girls to feel uncomfortable changing clothes around teenage boys they don't know?

You cannot be serious.

 

It's a trans person. I understand our culture is very squeamish about stupid things, but it's really not that different from me sharing a locker room with a muscular gay person as a man. Would I feel threatened if they stared at me and made inappropriate comments? Sure. Then they'd be in the wrong. But simply sharing a locker room with them? No. Both parties should mind their own business and focus on changing. I understand, I guess, that locker rooms culturally are something else at high schools, unlike the gym locker rooms I use today. So it's disruptive to their girl talk, I guess. But so would the presence of anybody outside of their clique.

 

A couple of things are going on here.

First, the guy who claims to be a girl made inappropriate comments which seems to have initiated all this.

Second, we now live in a world where people are allowed, well, some people anyway, to segregate themselves and for various reasons have their own safe spaces. Why not here?

Third, since this is all about feelings, do the feelings of the girls count?

 

I'm 100% certain teen girls are not "minding their own business" in a changing area and never will. I'm also 100% certain no trans-whatever isn't just minding their own business. There is no reasonable expectation that girls should have to be forced to undress in front of a boy and be comfortable with it. That's utter bullshit and amazingly disrespectful to those girls.

 

Of course people can mind their own business. I sort of observe it whenever I go to the locker room. Some of them are probably high schoolers or college athletes. Unless they're with their friends, they completely keep to themselves. These are males, I guess, but I am sure females can do it too.

It's not really a boy. You can call them "other" if you like, but they're just not the same as a regular teen boy. You're acting like culture cannot change. It can. Minding your own business in a locker room is the only way to avoid people being uncomfortable. Otherwise it's oh she was judging my fat belly, or that lesbian was checking me out, or whatever. There's discomfort with being a teen. It's an awkward time. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt that they can be more mature about this than, perhaps, they are. But again, I do not really have all the details of what the trans person did/said. It's possible they were in the wrong, but not because they're trans in the bathroom they want to be in, but because they were harassing somebody. Gender is irrelevant there - nobody should have to put up with being harassed.

 

you could use that same logic for gays or lesbians, were does it stop

the real answer is private changing rooms and showers, so everyone is happy

 

???? That would be an argument for one locker room for both men and women. And does nothing for your argument that separate locker rooms for men and women should be maintained but not applied to the transgendered.

 

Stop.

If you have a dick you're a boy, your emotional and mental state has nothing to do with the fact that he's standing in a room with naked people who do not look the same. All the excuses and bullshit stops when young people are naked in the same room, there is no reason 99% of the people should have to make huge changes for something less than 1% are dealing with. It's utterly asinine that this was even an issue, and I have no problems with trans people. This is not a group of adults, it's teenagers. The fact that this is allowed is turbotarded.

 

The answer is always "who cares if money is no object" and then money is always an object.