Wahington state becomes first US state to recognize as holodomor as genocide.

You probably haven't heard of it because Communists, and the left which supported the Communist movement, didn't want it to be known.

There was 'Fake News' and also unreported news. Perhaps the greatest purveyor of 'Fake News' was Walter Duranty.

Today CNN might be the most visible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

 

I dunno, I think its because I really didn't like my World history teacher (1982) so I didn't pay attention in that class.

I have been to Washington state tho,,, if that helps.

 

Actually, people who supported Bolshevik party EXPECTED government to care about them. As result we got industrialisation, collectivisation, NEP, repressions, inner-party fights, one-party government, almost ended up with a nuclear war and on top of that had Union reformed into a unitary state - that got dissoluted when people started caring about the people.

I may be weird, but I hardly care about government that I deserve or not deserve, I care about government that will know it's place and do it's part of social contract. I care about efficient education system, roads repaired in time, and peace on the globe, so neither I, or any of people I care personally about would have to face necessity to ever murder anybody.

So I strongly disagree, that people end up with "monsters" when they do NOT expect government to be trustworthy or serving people's interests by default. I am certain, that government NEEDS restrictions, harsh, if necessary. Instruments through which people will be able to control government they presumably create from their own society.

I hope that gives you more clear understanding of why am I not expecting governments to care about people and consider that being normal. Sorry, if I sound too passionate at the moment, though. As you can guess, in my lifetime - since 1991 - I witnessed drastic changes in society and government, and due to environment I grew up in I had - and still have - access to endless examples of governments of RF, USSR, Russian Empire - as well as their foreign counterparts - basically, fuсking things up. All sorts of questionable, or utterly criminal acts, covered by media of the state at the time, twisted and presented to public in adjusted form to, in return, adjust public's opinion to follow interests of the government - all that makes me very distrustful to politics as a phenomenon as a whole, and, if you need a bit simplier explanation - made me, I suppose, in a ways a supported of idea of direct democracy, with lesser amount of staff in government and less freedom in government's actions.

 

^^^^ nothing but Neo-Nazi propaganda and lies.

which isn't surprising considering you have praised Hitler in many of your posts, and said you would join a white supremacist party if you were not a brown Hindu.

 

It's for the same reason that you don't "progressives" ever talking about the Holodomor's equivalent in Red China, the Great Leap Forward and the famine associated with it, where exponentially more people were murdered and starved to death during Mao's collectivization campaign:

As you well know, this pattern of collectivization and starvation has repeated itself everywhere it has been implemented, from Pol Pot's Cambodia to Menghistu's Ethiopia and more recently in Mugabe's Zimbabwe and Chavez & Maduro's Venezuela.

 

The fact you didn't know about the worst genocide of the 20th century is proof the ones who committed the horrors are in charge of our media.

 

there you go, blaming the Jews again.

seems like an obsession

 

how else do you explain why most of the world is unaware of Holodmor ?

 

must be the Jews fault, huh Channe?

it rained on Saturday, was that the Jews' fault too?

you're obsessed.

 

You may have missed fact, that information about Golodomor is not kept in secret in any way AT LEAST since the dissolution of Soviet Union, studied, and the argument around it consists, mostly, from disagreement over the origins and status of the event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question#Russian_government_position
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question#Ukrainian_government_position

This famine, indeed, have took lives of countless people all over Union, point is - ukrainian government stands firmly on it being a deliberate genocide, while russian government stands for version of it being not deliberate, but a result of administrative failure and natural causes.

So far I, personally, find russian position being more plausible, considering lack of political disputes whithin newly formed Soviet Union, climate of region, massive exports of grain from Union, that likely drained supply whithin country, collectivisation, that harmed productivity of agrarian parts of Union and, pretty much, wrecked lives of peasants who lived there, and fact that famine caused losses of people all over Union, with Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Krasndar, Siberia and Ukral and Caucasus mountines being only parts where harm from famine was more significant, than in rest of Union.

 

The following are owned by Viacom which is run by Summer Redstone who is Jewish;

CBS
UPN
Infinity Broadcasting Corporation
Viacom Productions
CBS Sports
Viacom Outdoor
Paramount Pictures
MTV Networks
Showtime Networks
BET Networks
Simon & Schuster
King World Productions
Westinghouse Licensing Corporation

President of NBC is Jeff Zucker who is Jewish
Facebook is owned by Zuckerberg who is Jewish
YouTube is run by Susan Wojcicki who is Jewish.
The publisher of the NY Times is Arthuer Sulzberger who is Jewish

Ben Sherwood runs ABC and he is Jewish.
Disney is run by Eiser who is Jewish.

NO MORE EXCUSES, RON. Jews run out media.

It is NOT 'anti-Semitic' to point out facts. Deal with it.

 

I can only explain for myself, didn't like my world history teacher, didn't pay attention and unlike Algebra or typing classes, so far to date my knowledge or experience of Holodmor hasn't directly impacted my life or ability to earn an income.

I was, and pretty much still am happily in the dark about this.

But hey.. good for Washington State. (I think)

 

Let's put it this way; even on the Iphone, there is no autocorrect for Holdomor, only the Holocaust.

 

Fox News, not controlled by a Jew.

CNN, not controlled by a Jew.

BBC, not controlled by a Jew.

NBC, not controlled by a Jew.

ABC, not controlled by a Jew.

PBS, not controlled by a Jew.

Washington Post, not controlled by a Jew.

LA Times, not controlled by a Jew.


and Viacom, NOT controlled by a Jew, as Sumner Redstone is RETTIRED.



so much for the bigoted anti-Jew conspiracy theory.

 

I gave you the names. You refusing to acknowledge it is your problem. The world is waking up.

 

This thread is about the terrible famine suffered by the people of Ukraine during the 1920s.

It affected all residents, including Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, Jews, etc.

We should remember the innocent lives lost.



sadly, some instead always choose to use this tragedy as an excuse to spew their obsessives, irrational hatred of the JEWS

 

that's because you LIED.

Sumner Redstone is retired.

MANY news outlets in the USA have no Jewish editor or owner.

your bigoted conspiract theory is crap.

let go of your obsession against THE JEWS

 

Yeah, right. Sure. It's not like EVERYTHING bad that can be found around RF is currently getting spilled all over US media with a force of overstuffed sewage pipe.

 

Thanks for clarifying that, Ninian, I think I misunderstood you.

If I'm reading you correctly, it sounds like you share the sentiments of many conservatives and libertarians in America who think that our over-sized, over-intrusive and over-expensive federal government and the Democratic Party which supports and promotes Big Government is trying to do too much for people and are exceeding our Constitution's bounds in the process. Of course, they claim to care about people but as I pointed out earlier the only thing they really care about is power and control.

 

*1930th, though.

 

I am not sure, whose sentiments I share, never was a part of any political group, and closest I came to political activity was participating in All-Russia Rally in March. But I guess what you say somehow looks similar to what I think of our politics, albeit I am very, very doubtful that any other political party, if it'll come to power, will not do exactly same things, if environment they work in will remain same. I really think, that having more control over government's decidions is necessary to change things for better.

 

He's referring to "progressives", Ninian - the same people who are blaming your country for Hillary Clinton's defeat instead of exercising some humility and introspection by examining their own bad ideas, bad policies and bad candidates.

It's because of this Republicans control a majority of state houses, governorships, the U.S. House and Senate and now the White House, but...you know...



BWAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! RUSSIA!!!!

 

From what I know, both parties have long lasting tendencies to blame things on my people. But I guess democratic party used that trick more lately, to excuse their electoral defeats in presidentals and parlamentals. Still.. I would not be expecting members of Republican or other parties to abstain from same tactics, if need for excuse comes. I am sorry, but so far that is imperssion I got. Then again, I do not believe in politicians in general.. So I may or may not be wrong there.

 

Sounds wise and reasonable to me.

Personally, I think that the only way that individuals can exercise more control over government is to grant it as little power and responsibility as practically possible. The more power and responsibility we exercise over our own lives the more control we can exercise over government.

 

the great famine was only in Ukraine?

wrong.

 

is there autocorrect for Algebra?

this might put things in perspective.

If its important to you, then i'm happy for you.

I don't rank Holdomor very high on my list, actually the list doesn't go down that far... sorry.