So you show up the day of surgery and let them do what ever it is they are doing. And you have no clue of the procedure they may do or the risks involved?
There is a difference between counseling and a CONSULTATION......and NO surgery REQUIRES by LAW that you have counseling before hand. One may have a consultation to find out what is what but it isn't forced on you. WHY would a woman need counseling? Uh, most women know what abortion does and means. So forced counseling would only mean someone trying to talk her out of it..
First off, waiting periods on firearm purchases haven't been shown to work. Secondly there is justification for doing it to abortion because you're literally killing a human being by going through with it.
Women have obtained abortions throughout documented history. Abortion was legal when this nation was founded so the right to an abortion was protected under the 9th Amendment.
I was not commenting on whether or not waiting periods work - just that there is legal justification as per the legitimate authority of Gov't. You Abortion claim contains an assumed premise - That a human exists at all stages of pregnancy. That the zygote - single cell at conception- is a human is much debated claim - by no means a given. Without getting into the Abortion debate - the Literal FACT - is that "Experts Disagree" = "we don't know" You are welcome to try to justify that law should be made on the basis of "we do not know" if you like. To me this would be an anathema to law.
When does it get classified as a human being? Why? Sperm on the sheets can be classified as a human being per some opinions. For it is future. Just like your probable definition.
Consultation, to me, means the doctor explains your options and the procedures, ...it is NOT forced on you. Counseling presumes you'll need directives and/or help.....it can be slanted, it should never be forced on a patient.
Any medical procedure should be seen as needing help and directives. Something will be done to one's body that isn't normal and something bad could happen. Counseling or consultation.
Which is what the poster said. It is not a constitutional RIGHT. It is a protected procedure. There is no "right to abortion" in the Constitution. There IS, however, a RIGHT to own firearms.
NO medical procedure should require FORCED counseling, consultation, chats with the doctor, meetings in hallways, in depth discussions , recommendations, advice, preaching, or anything else the PATIENT does NOT WANT!
Actually every procedure requires informed consent in which the doctor councils the patient about the procedure
Do you have a right to donate a kidney? Yes or no? Where is your right to donate a kidney mentioned in the Constitution? The 9th Amendment specifically protect rights that were not mentioned in the Constitution. Just because the right to an abortion was not specified does not mean that it does not exist.
That is a consultation by a medical doctor for physical procedures. A therapist would provide counseling for mental issues.
Oh, ya, because women would refuse "counseling" ( some freak telling them how bad they are and adoption is better and pregnancy doesn't cause you any harm and abortion is bad and a sin) then they should be denied abortion? NO, that isn't the way it works. You need heart surgery but you just don't want to be told all the details, you don't want counseling from someone who thinks you can't think for yourself so YOU don't get heart surgery...OK... .......as long as it applies to EVERYONE who wants a medical procedure... ""Waiting periods and counseling/classes for abortions""" (?) Absolutely not. NO other medical procedure requires it. The waiting period is hard for some women making it difficult to get the earliest abortion and "counseling" is ALWAYS suspect. And a "class" !!! What for? That implies women are so stupid they don't know what pregnant means.
I usually avoid you for you always are obtuse. I said anyone refusing consultation for any medical procedure, will not get said procedure. Grow up.
Prove it. I know a patient can just say go ahead and do it.....and AGAIN a "consultation" is NOT "counseling" so take your own advice. IF ALL patients are required by law to have a "consultation" then WHY would there need to be a special law for women contemplating abortion?
