Was Jesus God?

Ok, so Jesus couldn't be killed because He is God. He must have known that He couldn't be killed because He is God.

So what real sacrifice did he make? A few hours suffering on a Friday afternoon? Doesn't seem like much of a sacrifice, considering what it is supposed to have achieved.

 

That is what Satan wanted God to do, to call down His angels and destroy Rome or turn all stone to gold, or jump from the cliff and fly. Macsochism is Satan's way, God prove that in spite of His almighty power He will become a human so that he can demonstrate to humans and to Satan that no amount of temptation, torture, or beatings will make a good man turn to evil.

God did not punish Himself He suffer for us just like any good parents would do for their children they will die and suffer for them, God shielded us from Satan.

Yes, God in human form took also all human aspects and that include the feelings of pain, yes Jesus was speaking as a human recognizing the existence of God. This would later become part of the mystery of the Holy Trinity, "with God nothing is impossible"

People have been aggressive questioning about God but they have no problem with Satan.

You should feel love and acceptance that God truly love His people that He send His only begotten Son to suffer a human pain whipped, and torture by sadistic people with nothing in them except the feeling of masochism they laugh and rejoice the more they see Jesus suffer the more they rejoice and Jesus took it all because He is God and only God can take that kind of punishment and torture.

Jesus said "Luke 23:28 Jesus turned and said to them, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children".
In other words, pity yourself for you do not know what you are doing.

At first all the Apostles and Jesus few followers all went into hiding in fear that they'll suffer the same fate as Jesus and later after Jesus resurrected they were all transform, they became fearless, enlighten and they went put and started to preach even if it mean dying a cruel and painful death and all of the Apostles did died a cruel and painful death and thousand and thousands started to believe and where being persecuted they did not waver and they worship Jesus Christ all the way to their death.

It has inspired millions at the same time the concern against Christ also grew; either you will be inspire to worship Him or become more firm and aggressive to persecute and do all you can to find ways and means to destroy Jesus Christ, either way it is your free choice.

 

Yes, that is why He send His only begotten Son to become human to suffer and die and at the same time to resurrect back as God.
The sacrifice God did unlike Satan who would have chose not to suffer as a human, God chose to become human so to be with us, to be part of us, to eat, sleep and talk to us. God have demonstrated to us that His Kingdom is not of this world and that the body is just temporary.

God proof that He exist.

 

None of that answers the question.

What did Jesus actually sacrifice? What did he give up or lose?

sac·ri·fice
   [sak-ruh-fahys] noun, verb, sac·ri·ficed, sac·ri·fic·ing.
noun
1.the offering of animal, plant, or human life or of some material possession to a deity, as in propitiation or homage.
2.the person, animal, or thing so offered.
3.the surrender or destruction of something prized or desirable for the sake of something considered as having a higher or more pressing claim.
4.the thing so surrendered or devoted.
5.a loss incurred in selling something below its value.

 

Jesus liberated all the souls since Adam and Eve have sinned and the gates of Paradise re-open welcoming all those souls but most of all denying Satan those souls. Jesus gave up nothing He reveal to us that He does exist, He cares and most of all He is Almighty.

Jesus offer Himself to us the humans that is how special Jesus is instead of having human doing the sacrificing He did it Himself for us. He demonstrated that we are special in His heart.

Jesus is that person.

God most precious prize is us that He send His only begotten Son to die for us and to resurrect to demonstrate and proof that He cares and He exist.

God surrendered Himself to us that is how devoted God is to us, but many humans are not devoted to Him and yet He still cares for them.

For God, humans are not a loss we are worth sacrificing for.

 

By the way: The melody of this song is from the song "The doe, who is hunted early" said Martin Luther.

http://youtu.be/-wgYnYSg3Zs

 

He was not. He was a just a dude, supposedly from Nazareth.

 

Thank you for at least attempting to explain that.

I am afraid that I still can't see anything there that I would call a 'sacrifice'

 

Correct. If I kill my brother as a 'sacrifice' for the sins of others, I'm not actually sacrificing anything. In the same way, the vicarious redemption nonsense of Jesus isnt a sacrifice of God - its a suicide mission to accomplish nothing but instill in others renewed justification to go persecute others, as they still do.

 

Balder was killed from Loki - so yes: a god can be killed.

http://youtu.be/XyaDuLHzj7o

Phôl ende Wuodan fuorun zi holza.
dû wart demo balderes folon sîn fuoz birenkit.
thû biguol en Sinthgunt, Sunna era swister;
thû biguol en Frîja, Folla era swister;
thû biguol en Wuodan, sô hê wola conda:
sôse bênrenki, sôse bluotrenki, sôse lidirenki:
bên zi bêna, bluot zi bluoda,
lid zi geliden, sôse gelîmida sîn.

 

all bull

complete fals witness

he revealed knowledge that lives, but clearly said HE aint the end revelation

each are special

but that has nothing to do with jesus.

many die(d) for 'us'

what person? He sure was not the name holder.

if jesus was 'god' he would have shown himself to the world, after dying and told the world, HE was 'god'

liars forget, that if a 'god' truly had the magic wand, why would the world be as it is today and all the liar can do, is lie some more

i coud care less about you. I hate liars, personally.

but the children...

our future...

the new to be born and someday have a chance with truth, and not the likes of YOU...............

aye............... i live, love, and give every breath i can for them............





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I can remember you having deep admiration for Jesus.

I wonder what you believe his death was about ?

 

That is understandable because you have a different concept of what Jesus sacrifice for, because you do not believe in Jesus Christ, you don't believe in God and this is why God send His only begotten Son as the final approach for Him to reach out to us the next time He show Himself it will be on judgement day. We were given all and every chances it is now up to us, you to chose I chose God.

 

I don't hate liars I pity them and pray for them.

Those are what the anti Christ have been pushing aggressively for centuries, fortunately many Catholics refuse to be tempted and stay with the facts of reality.

 

It seems to me that if this God of yours loved us, as you claim, he might have made his sacrifice a bit easier for us poor mortals to understand. After all, if more of us could comprehend, more of us might accept Him and be saved. This is surely what a loving father would want.

 

Still do for the most part.

His death was about nothing except the brutality of humanity. I've never understood why Christians are so obsessed with Jesus' death. It wasnt his death that was important - it was his life. That's why I hated Passion of the Christ when I was religious and still do. The reality is, whether you think Jesus was divine or not, his greatest achievement was in his pacifist teachings. Only there lies the redemption of mankind - not some imaginary nonsense about how blindly following your creed will transport you to some magical cloudy fairground after death.

If Jesus was God in the sense of vicarious redemption, then God is either seriously mentally handicapped, completely cruel or incapable of helping humans (in which case he isnt any God that should concern us). I find the latter the most compelling conclusion - since nothing changed after Jesus' death in any fundamentally redeeming sense. Christians swelled (through help of force btw) in numbers and then became the new oppressors. The cycle continued.

If people focused on Jesus life and its meaning rather than his death they would appreciate the genuine commands of Jesus to live the life he led instead of idealizing him as the exception whereby Christians can only 'hope' to be that good, but in daily life remain the same kind of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s that ended up killing Jesus. To me, Christians have crucified Jesus another thousand times over.

 

Jesus is god - true god from true god

Jesus is in all senses god - he's true god from true god. Don't know how to say it in another way.

God is what?

Someone who is not helping you is cruel? Why? ... Hmm - what for heavens sake is going on in your life?

http://youtu.be/8J-NAedqO3s
http://youtu.be/n-JoDaBKskw

 

ie.... your posts renders 'anti christ' (against truth) and why you were judged

 

Clearly, your post is anti Christ and you still continue to twist what can not be twisted, no I have not been judged yet neither have you but you have already judge others and yourself for what you have no authority.

I have presented beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus is God base on facts, you have failed because you base your argument on hatred not facts.

 

words of truth are of christ.

false witness is far more horrid, then revealing truth

truth unfolds

even the best lie

sure you are. Each post is being judged.

"WE" are mankind, observing a 'false witness' of a self purporting life, making claims that are incorrect of what is real of experience. Simply claiming witness that is unfounded by that person's experience.

each do judge and are judged constantly.

the best will self reflect (judge) upon themselves. It is a concept of personal responsibiity to be aware of what the self is doing and evolving with comprehension of what each action is causing upon existence (god itself).

as an equal to any that ever walked, in this period, on this earth, in this lifetime, I AM that I AM, and capable, just like any other.

i am in you, you in me, we are one, and capable.

Some feel it, some dont

and i call that claim, a lie.

there is no reason a person should lie to themselves, then lie to another because they have committed themselves to the act of false witness.

i hate the liars


Look at what they have done to you!

 

The torture and persecution of Jesus Christ show the brutality, cruelty and evilness of humans and in general of this world (in fact IMO this world has been seize by Satan and God is liberating us one soul at a time) Jesus Christ torture also all show the goodness, perseverance, faith and love of God and some humans that were not corrupted by Satan but most of all Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world" John 18:36" Jesus is telling us that everything here on earth are temporal and the problem is that too many humans have been concentrated too much on things of this world.

A huge thing change with Jesus death and resurrection Satan was defeated millions of souls were save. We Christians do not just concentrate on Jesus death we concentrate on His life, death, and resurrection.

Too many people are still attempting to destroy God with every means that include attacking Him spiritually, bodily, historically, theologically and scripturally that is why they have come up with all kinds of false claims with books that claim Jesus is not God, Jesus is not Son of God, Mary is not holy, Jesus was not crucified, a look a like died in Jesus place etc. all these have one purpose only and that is to destroy the God or to stop God and His angels from successfully liberating and reaching us.

Stop and think, all the things that you have been complaining about the wars, death, sufferings, poverty, vanity, etc. are these the teachings of Jesus Christ, No, are these what make this world what it is yes. Who benefit from all of these... humans they gain earthly wealth and power (the same wealth and power that Satan promise to Jesus Christ if Jesus Christ will listen to Satan the same promise that Satan promise to Eve) from all these sufferings that you are complaining about.

 

That is very true, that is why I and millions others believe in Jesus Christ and we worship Him.

Too many false witness, liars, disruptors and false prophets that is why we need to step up and not let them get away with their false claims against Jesus Christ.

Yes and that is why I post the truth that Jesus is the Son of God that He is God.

There is no best lie only unchallenge lies same as "evil will prevail if good men do nothing"

Yup.

That is why God send His only begotten Son and God became man to perosnally deliver the Truth because too much evil and too much lies have corrupted this world.

True, only by God.

And when we finally understand that concept of personal responsiblity we will become enlighten, understand God and that His Kingdom is not of this world, this earth is Satan's kingdom think about that.

No you are just a man, you are a I am not I AM for you are not a god, too many people have self proclaim themselves to be god or gods that has only resulted in more chaos, sufferings and persecution to others.

Yes because of too much external and negative influences, it is easy to be bad and evil and very difficult to be good that is why we have very limited number of saints.

It is your call your choice your free will, I call it the Truth, the Way and the Light for Jesus Christ is the Son God.

There are many people who lie to themselves and to others and it is all about power and control, that is why the truth must be known and we can not stop and should not stop from sharing the truth.

That is normal, but you should best share the truth for it is the only way to defeat and over come the liars.

They have failed to corrupt me, I have stood fast and steady that is why I refuse to accept their lies and continue to share teh truth that they have no defense except to keep only repeating their unsupported lies over and over again, truth and education is what they fear most that is why God was very clear when He instructed Moses to write down His words so that people will not forget and not fall to lies and false prophets truth is always supported with facts lies are always unsupportative that is why liera will just keep on repeating the same lies over and over agains until it sink in to become a false-truth.

 

Yet you cannot prove what you have called a lie to be a lie,,, and you continue referring to liars that you cannot identify.

 

Mar 10:17 And as he is going forth into the way, one having run and having kneeled to him, was questioning him, `Good teacher, what may I do, that life age-during I may inherit?'

18 And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19 the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'


Matt 16:20
Then did he charge his disciples that they may say to no one that he is Jesus the Christ.



So whom do you witness?

using his name in vain and not listening to him, is what the false have done

what did jesus say: john 14:20 .... in that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you;

Do you know that? How? and of fact?

14 if ye ask anything in my name I will do [it].

15 `If ye love me, my commands keep,

16 and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.


29 `And now I have said [it] to you before it come to pass, that when it may come to pass, ye may believe;

30 I will no more talk much with you, for the ruler of this world doth come, and in me he hath nothing


4 and they shall see His face, and His name [is] upon their foreheads

good men, do and seek of truth

the morons lie with their beliefs

 

do you have the name of god upon your head?

did/do you see his face?



True, only by God.

did you ever believe that you would be there?

during them days?

flesh and blood

walking!

Lots of old books said the day would come

many said that to jesus, too.

I dont mind reading and learning.

Gen3: 22 And Jehovah God saith, `Lo, the man was as one of Us, as to the knowledge of good and evil; and now, lest he send forth his hand, and have taken also of the tree of life, and eaten, and lived to the age,' --

Do you read?

but not even Jesus was so stupid. It is the idiots afterwards that would call a man; such to homage a 'god'.

agreeed........ Look at what has happened to you!

You are a victim and why I have no pity for the selfish; people like you!