Was The Holocaust Largely A Fraud?

More lies.

Neither was a fraud and there was never such an admission

 

When you make stupid and absolute statements like there are NO pictures of nazi gassing victims you need to remember where you are.

You are on the internet and it is ludicrously easy to make a fool of you and prove you wrong as in.

http://www.shamash.org/holocaust/photos/images/Belsen01.jpg

Easier than it was to destroy your idiotic claims that the moon landings were a hoax.

Your still punching the wall in frustration over how madly you were humiliated and proven wrong in that one.

Fine by me if you want to be pwned again in another stupid argument.

You have already lost this one and whatever you said you would bet you now owe to others

 

Fun with numbers. Yes I am totally familiar with the change in the plaque at auschwitz. OTOH, you are not familiar with the fact that the plaque was corrected because it became evident from the EVIDENCE collected that the number was grossly inflated. Of course you could add up all the other sources from all the other areas, units and operations and find that roughly 6 million jews, and 3 million roms and who know how many homosexuals and handicapped were killed.

Once again, you continue to put up poorly researched nonsense while applying kindergarten logic to the exclusion of all other contributing evidence. Its a classic tactic by deniers to feed to their intellectually challenged and completely biased kaffeeklatsch.

Come back when you can uncover some actual real evidence to demonstrate that the holocaust is nothing but history's biggest hoax perpetrated by literally millions of people to hoodwink a bunch of neo nazi jew haters. I suppose it all makes sense to those who reach a conclusion in ignorance (hatred) then attempt to find "evidence" to support the conclusion. Bass ackwards logically and intellectually but perfect to cater to visceral emotional driven haters.

 

Why is that picture not consistent with the scenario of starvation caused by a breakdown in the food distribution system and the typhus epidemic?

You just destroyed your credibility. The proof that the moon missions were faked is crushing. The viewers can check out the proof and decide for themselves.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-moon-missions-were-faked-in-a-studio.347662/

http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=993.15
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http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1145.0
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1146.0

If you want to talk about the details, go over to the Apollo section and ask me something.

You're just blindly believing the official version. How do you know the original number wasn't simply a deliberate lie? Check out this info.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...aust-the-fake-history.501383/#post-1067305563

Your argument seems to be, "This is what the official version is so it must be true".

Do a YouTube search on "Chomsky media" if you have lots of faith in official info and tell us what you think of his analysis of the American media.

 

OMG more iditiotic fun with numbers. How do I know that the death totals are more or less accurate? Literally DOZENS of governments, thousands of historians and academics studying the records, and the only people who claim otherwise are people who are too stupid to understand the process, are ideologically disinclined to attribute such behavior to their glorious nazi idols, or are simple haters who need fuel to sustain their ignorance.

But never mind, you will keep insisting that facts cannot be believed, evidence must be fake, every confession coerced, every witness lied, and then there is the wonderful world of fun with psuedo-science.

 

Here's some info you should check out.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...germany-in-1933.401955/page-3#post-1066548138

This link from that list is dead.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/american-imperialism.371897/

What do you think of that info? Do you still believe what you learned in school and watch on the news? Are you at least a little suspicious?

 

I think it is a lame attempt to de-legitimize literally tens of thousands of scientists, historians, jurists, researchers, military intelligence officials, academics and millions of eye witnesses and victims.

Your attempt to "dump" a pile of crap as if "volume" had merit unto itself, is yet another nonsensical tactic. Seems you have read the entire book.

No I don't believe what I learned in school or watch on the news out of hand. I was a marketing communications executive who studied human communication and psychology and has extensive experience in developing "positioning" statements - iow SPIN, I am more equipped than most to identify what is spin, what is opinion and what is fact. Came with the professional territory.

In addition to that, I have studied the field of holocaust denial for 40 years. I became intimately familiar with the players and their so-called evidence, and the mountains of rebuttal evidence and analysis that has been generated.

So while I am not at all interested in blowing your long list of nonsense out of the water, I can state with certainity, there isn't a single piece of so-called "evidence" you can present that I haven't seen before and personally researched. Time has a way of enabling the acquistion of such extensive knowledge, and you are far far far from the first denialist I have encountered, and regrettably you won't be the last, but it does amuse me to shred the crap and give back a little of their own animus and hatred.

I am not suspicious of the general narrative, but I am more than suspicious of jew haters and neo-nazis "disguising" themselves as "objective observers only interested in the truth".

 

Don't bet very much because you'd lose.

The Germans were meticulous record keepers and they recorded virtually every death (in triplicate) that's identified with the Holocaust. While not all of the victims of the Holocaust died in the death camps the records kept on the death camps were very well maintained including the names of those put to death.

https://www.fold3.com/title_635/wwii_captured_german_records#overview

 

Roughly 11 million peopled died. There's nothing "brainwashing" about that number.

 

So much B

So much BS is impressive. Tell me. Are you jewish? Or just an imbecile. There were no gas chambers. Are you going to attempt to tell me there were? There was no lampshade made out of jew skin. Are you going to attempt to tell me there was? Neither were some jews turned into soap. Are you going to attempt to tell me there were? Etc. etc. etc. How about going over to the thread "The holocaust. The fake history." I will be more than glad to listen to any of your stupidity that you refuted anything there.

 

I agree. I have often run across idiots like the one you are talking about. The best they can do is say they won an argument. Unfortunately, there are other idiots out there who would believe them.

 

Scott. Tell me you didn't just say that the moon landings were fake. Because if you did say that, I would appreciate it if went over to the side that says the holocaust happened as it is generally believed to have happened.

 

History is written by the victors. Just about everything you have heard and continue to hear about Hitler and WW II in general is a complete lie. That includes your BS about the records that the Germans kept. Were you there as they actually made them and filed them away?

 

B! S!!!!! Go over to the thread, "The Holocaust. The fake history." One of the things you will see is a plaque that used to be at the holocaust memorial museum at Auschwitz. It says 4 million jews were murdered there. Then after the Russians left Poland, they put up a new plaque. It says that 1.5 million jews died there. (Though even that is an over inflated number) And if the death toll at Auschwitz was so drastically exaggerated, you can bet your ass that it was at all of the other jewish internment camps too. Any more pretend numbers you want to bring up? Do it in the thread "The holocaust. The fake history."

 

Nope, the lampshade was a myth as were the widespread stories about soap making, although there was a kernel of truth to that one.

got anything specific you'd like to present as evidence or is this simply more spouting off as per usual for denialist jew haters?

Wanna present Leuchter? Ball? Krege? Rudolph? Cole? as expert forensic scientists? Or perhaps you'd like to bring up the fact that the british beat the living crap out of Hoess for his ADMITTED murderous inclination? Or perhaps you'd like to present the case that Eichmann lied at his trial? Or maybe the fact that the wanasee protocols don't actually mention killing the jews just "transporting them to the east"?, or that mass murderers of historic proportions didn't leave exact written orders of their criminal intent? Or maybe the idiotic fun with maths approach? Or you could get real down and dirty and want to discuss the process of human cremation in the vain attempt to claim that cremation at Treblinka was impossible?

I find it rather sad that denialists can't quite grasp that with literally millions of traumatized people living in the ruins of their lives that all kinds of apocraphyl stories would emerge. OTOH, the jew haters seem to think that these stories PROVE the holocaust was a hoax, so they can't bring themselves to admit that those stories are ALL debunked in the official record. So, got any other "stories" in your cesspool of "evidence"?

And no I am not a jew, why would that........ oh right.

 

yet another stormfronter heard from. The ol' tag team tactic. You guys are consistent in your churlish transparent attempts.
Now some might say that is a sure sign of intransigent ignorance in the face of actual facts, but I don't subscribe to that theory.
I believe its an ideology fueled by hatred and a desperate desire to believe in the jew haters racial superiority (despite their lack of understanding of what race is really all about).

So insult away. considering the source I take them as badges of honor. Oh, as to winning arguments, if that is the best that we can say, then what does it say for the stupidity of those arguing against the holocuast? Yep you got it in one. D'oh.

 

Seems you haven't read the thread. You can bet your arse you haven't researched this little tidbit just swallowed the denialist crap hook line and sinker. don't bother doing any research of your own, IHR/CODOH/Stormfront have all that stuff neatly organized for your hating enjoyment.

 

I wonder what it says when a member insists that another thread is the definitive source of knowledge and truth.

 

There are still people who believe the world is flat. As Forest said: "stupid is as stupid does".

 

You're still simply basing you opinons on what mainstream info says. You still seem to have unshakable faith in the official version of things. Let's talk about the credibility of mainstream info sources.

We talked about this on another thread.
http://www.peace.ca/smedleybutler.htm
https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

What that American general says goes against what Americans are taught. Do you think he lied? Does that make you suspicious of offical sources?

Don't forget that we have to wonder about this.

http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html
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8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.
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It sounds like you haven't looked at the proof yet. Take a look. If you want to discuss it, I suggest this thread.
http://www.giraffeboards.com/showthread.php?t=31034

I'm sorry that you'd have to register there but it's one of the few places where my posts don't get deleted when I talk about Apollo.

 

Let's talk about how the story got started. Watch the first minute of this video.

Buchenwald a Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil (Full Video)



It seems that it was an official lie. Let's hear your view on that. If there's one lie, do you think there could be others?


Here's something about the soap issue.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/soap.shtml
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One of the most lurid and slanderous Holocaust claims is the story that the Germans manufactured soap from the bodies of their victims. Although a similar charge during the First World War was exposed as a hoax almost immediately afterwards, it was nevertheless revived and widely believed during the Second. [1] More important, this accusation was "proved" at the main Nuremberg trial of 1945-1946, and has been authoritatively endorsed by numerous historians in the decades since. In recent years, though, as part of a broad retreat from the most obviously untenable aspects of the "orthodox" extermination story, Holocaust historians have grudgingly conceded that the human soap tale is a wartime propaganda lie. In their retreat, though, these historians have tried to dismiss the soap story as a mere wartime "rumor," neglecting to mention that international Jewish organizations and then Allied governments endorsed and sanctioned this libelous canard.

 

Oh dear, once again focussing on the myths that have been debunked, not by denialists, but by real academics. But by all means let such sleazy nazi apologism infest your perspective.

As to the soap claims, like I said, you get your info from the hacks at IHR and guess what, it has been categorically debunked, however, the Arolsen archives show evidence that the "formula" was "perfected" by nazi scientists. Oh did you not know that?

Of course only a denialist would deny that after such a horror and with so many traumatized, revenge filled people, and admittedly some frauds, that all kinds of stories would emerge. those stories like most rumours circulated, however, you won't find any contemporary historians or academics who believe in either the lampshade or the soap factory. Funny how you guys pick up myths that have been thoroughly debunked to claim that the holocaust never happened.

Seems logic and time lines of the millions of national historical experiences and narratives, not to mention human nature are to be ignored by buffoonish denialist arguments.

 

Well, if you really want to compare the credibility of mainstream academic sources versus the nazi apologist, jew hating batcrap crazy denialist sources, I'd say its like comparing humans to slugs. Not even in the same genus.

Minutia? you point to myths about lampshades and soap as proof the narrative is a lie when its completely incidental to the real issues.
Invoking authority? funny I have been giving you sources of rebuttal information but of course you can't be bothered even looking at it because in your mind its all jew lies while you and your like minded haters are merely trying to be intellectually "honest".

As for jargon, if you mean describing jew haters and nazi apologists in terms that reflect what they truly represent is jargon then for sure. If you mean utilizing the necessary scientific and technical terms in specific discussions then I am certainly guilty as I believe in acquiring the necessary knowledge to formulate my own opinions and perspectives. Something I have found denialists are incapable of, since they lap up the crap produced by Leuchter and the rest of the clown brigade.

 

You're tap dancing around the issue. The NAZI's having made lampshades out of human skin was part of the official story. It was not a rumor. Now please address the issue of the official lie.

You tap danced around this issue too. I cited a case of an offical lie and quite a big official lie at that. What Smedley Butler said was happening in that time period is very different from what Americans are taught was happening in that time period. Will you now recognize that the fact that US government tells gigantic lies? Now please address the issue seriously.

You have an authoritative patronizing attitude but your posts are mainly just handwaving*. There's hardly any substance in your posts.


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Hand-waving (with various spellings) is a pejorative label for attempting to be seen as effective – in word, reasoning, or deed – while actually doing nothing effective or substantial.[1] It is most often applied to debate techniques that involve fallacies, misdirection and the glossing over of details.[2] It is also used academically to indicate unproven claims and skipped steps in proofs...
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Handwaving is frequently used in low-quality debate, including political campaigning and commentary, issue-based advocacy, advertising and public relations, tabloid journalism, opinion pieces, Internet memes, and informal discussion and writing. If the opponent in a debate or commentator on an argument alleges hand-waving, it suggests the proponent of the argument, position or message has engaged in one or more fallacies of logic,[2] usually informal, and/or glossed over non-trivial details,[2] and is attempting to wave away challenges and deflect questions, as if swatting at flies

 

It wasn't part of the "official story" it was a rumor that was reported as fact by some. And in the simplest fashion possible I pointed out exactly WHY those kinds of stories are peripheral to the main narrative AND have all been debunked. So small minds will focus on these things and attempt to fallaciously expand that to the credibility of the main narrative.

How many times do I have to point this out to you, other than continuing to display for all here to see just, how intellectually bankrupt denialists can be.

WTF does smedly butler have to do with the holocaust - oh right nothing at all. Again its just another stupid false equivlency to support the gigantic idiotic conspiracy theory that denialists in the absence of reason and fact continue to regurgitate, because that is all their arguments amount to - hateful vomit.

Actually my posts are full of substance. Its just that my substance addresses the underlying motivations of racists, jew haters and nazi apologists. Its quite something when you can't disprove the professional and scientific forensic evidence of hydrogen cyanide IN the friggin gas chamber walls, floor and ceiling. Its actually all on video in that wonderful comedy about Leuchter - Mr Death but I gave that to you already and naturally you completely ignore the fact that the "heroes of denial" are a bunch of incompetent fools. now that probably says something for those that believe them as well, but I'm not quite sure what it is.




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