Was Trump Wrong?

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Should Trump Have Specifically Named White Nationalists?

  1. Yes, Trump is obviously racist.

    10 vote(s)
    23.8%
  2. No, Both sides were equally to blame

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    57.1%
  3. Other (Please Explain)

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    19.0%
  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So he did not say nazis are good people...Thanks and, yes, there were good conservatives and good liberals there. Trump was 100% correct. The MSM (especially CNN) has tried to conflate honest folks with nazis and antifa both of which DO NOT represent true good Americans.
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is blame on both sides. I saw that speech many times and we who watched the whole thing (Charlottesville riots) saw that. The President is 100% correct. Trump was representing most of America in those statements. These two groups...as I already said....Do not represent We The People in any way, shape or form. And now here we are arguing about some words uttered by the President. What about the fact that permits were issued? Why did the Democrat governor not provide more protection? Those are more important questions in my mind not trying to parse what Trump said or failed to say.
     
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    I took the poll and I voted the obvious;"No,both sides were equally to blame"
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thank you and, it's obvious that so far, most people agree. We believe what we saw with our own eyes not what we are told by the MSM we supposedly saw.
     
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    OK, I am going to use YOUR logic, some of the people whom you live around (in your neighborhood) hold views that are racist and some hold views that are anti-social, with this known, you are both racist and anti-social because you live in the same neighborhood as that they live. Remember, this is YOUR logic being applied to YOU.
     
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    The hyperliberal, rabid Left was even MORE to blame! Why? The people who assembled to demonstrate against removal of Robert E. Lee's statue HAD A PERMIT TO ASSEMBLE AND CARRY OUT THEIR LEGAL ACTIVITIES! But, then here came the Leftist "ANTIFA" goons with their obnoxious, ILLEGAL interference, and their weapons, and their deliberate agenda to wreck the rights of those who had a PERMIT. That is complete bullshit, but the hyperliberal "news" media completely ignore that....

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    If you actually believe this, you'll believe anything.

    I'm not even disagreeing that condemning both sides was wrong. I just said he should not have done it when one of the sides consisted of the Klan and Nazis. Just pick your spots. Wait another week, because Antifa will probably do something stupid.

    You can't even admit to that, because your nose is so far up Trump's ass. This guy is incapable of doing something wrong in your eyes. You not different than a religious fanatic.
     
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    A fixed place of habitation, and voluntarily attending a protest with said neighbors would be two entirely different scenarios. This is a awful comparison.
     
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    When people say you've had too much to drink, maybe you should sit down.

    McConnell is not a pink Commie, Corker is not a pink Commie, and all those business leaders who walked away from aren't either, but keep dancing to Britney Spears, "Be My Ooh La La," with your Trump figurine.
     
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    You don't need a permit to enter a public area, and please get Trump to post this meme. He might have to resign the same the day.
     
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    No one said McConnell was a 'pink commie' where did you get that? Never heard of 'Be My Ooh La La' and I don't have a 'figurine' of Trump. Sorry to dash that fantasy of yours....
     
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    "No! TRUMP CAN DO NO WRONG! HE'S SO HANDSOME AND STRONG!"
     
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    Because violence on one side is excusable. Got it.
     
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    No, but when one side has a supporter that kills someone, and have Nazis in their midst, maybe you want to hold off from making that point. Just for a week, or so.
     
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    Trump is not Racist, Trump thinks he is better then everyone and cares about no one but himself

    that said, he wants their votes, thus acts like he has imo

    Trump could not of won without their vote
     
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    The comparison I made is not an illegitimate one being that as you well know, the poster whom I was replying to made the emphatic statement (paraphrase), "That if you attend a protest with KKK and Neo-Nazis in attendance, you are also a racist." That line of reasoning is complete B.S. because I have attended plenty of rallies and protests when I liked in NYC and some of those in attendance were Communists, "Socialists", and Black Nationalists. I am far from a Communist and a "Socialist". Using the logic of the initial poster, I am a "Socialist", a Communist, as well as a Black Nationalist, which is absurd to say the least. Just because a person or people attend a rally, does not mean that said person or group of persons, are ideologically the same or even similar to the others attendees to the rally. I have been around the “block” too many times to agree with such an illogical position.

    I made the statement, that if you live in the same neighborhood as a Klansman, then you are also a Klansmen. Why did I make the equally absurd statement? I made the statement because in most neighborhoods, you know who your “neighbors” are, either by personal relations or through word of mouth. This also applies to rallies and marches everyone in attendance knows who are going to be at a March or rally. With this being said, I made the statement to head-off or address what I knew would be the response, which is what I have stated, “At marches and rallies, all attendees know who is going to be there”, yet and still, this does not mean that all in attendance, agrees with the opinions and ideas of others at said march or rally.
     
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    I agree with this. I've been to Tea Party and black nationalists rallies as a spectator.
     
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    Critical Mass, this is what AntiFa and their Klansmen and Neo-Nazi counterparts are up to. Could I just be suspicious of all three? Yes indeed, but I find it mighty peculiar that all three engage in the same tactics; violence, to dissuade others of their NATURAL BORN RIGHTS! Remember, governments do not give rights, rights are given as soon as a person is born. This is the natural order of Creation, which is why the founders of this nation spoke of consent or the governed. Why, because in reality, Natural Order of Creation, no one can force another to do anything, not even through the use of force.
     
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    If by sick you mean true, then yes.
     
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    How is anyone other than the driver at fault here?
     
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    There was a lot more violence in this incident than the driver who ran over those people.
    That violence was initiated by the antifa terrorists, who attended the rally to "oppose" the supremacists "with deeds, not words".
    Had the antifa not done so and the supremacists left to themselves, it is likely no one would have been hurt.
     
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    When Japan and the United States went to war would you have called out one side or the other?
     
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    False equivalence.
     
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    This is ridiculous logic. You could reduce it ad nauseum. If the white supremacists decide not rally, then no one would have gotten hurt. If the country isn't as politically charged, than there is no angry confrontation, etc....There were many factors that led to that girls death. Pinning it on Antifa as the primary cause is as illogical as pinning it on the other groups of protestors.

    That girl is dead, because some demented kid slammed his car into her at high speed. Enough with the cheap political points.
     
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    The white supremacists were there exercising their right to free speech - at this point, you reduction fails.
    Indeed - among a greater violence caused by the antifa terrorists.
     

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