Was Trump Wrong?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by RPA1, Aug 22, 2017.

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Should Trump Have Specifically Named White Nationalists?

  1. Yes, Trump is obviously racist.

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  2. No, Both sides were equally to blame

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  3. Other (Please Explain)

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's *your* definition. Prove it. Antifacists attract anarchists and others as well which are be definition not communists.
     
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    No it is not mine it is antifas definition take it up with them.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    When the ideology on the other side is overwhelmingly anti first amendment and pro communist he was right to condemn both equally.

    And yes antifa led the counter protest and that is in fact what they stand for.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nice job backing up you claim. Fail. "Antifa" isn't even a formal organization or party. It doesn't have a defining ideology, except that it opposes fascists.

    You just are trying to label it "communist" so you can make your false equivalency with nazis. Why you would do so is the question, though your repeated refusal to deny you're a nazi is certainly telling.
     
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    Prove that all antifascists are "anti first amendment." You're just making **** up to make a false equivalency with the nazis and white supremacists.

    Why you would do so is the question, though your repeated refusal to deny you're a nazi or white supremacist is certainly telling.
     
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    It is not a party but it is in fact a loose organization and yes it has a definiing ideology of communism as well as opposing fascism which they define as anyone not agree with them.

    No I am not labeling it they proudly embrace and wear the label making them as bad as any ideology and this is nothing new it is old news and quite factual and accurate you are simply in denial of fact.

    Why you deny this is clear you are a communist and hate being called out on it.

    Your proud defense of genocide and communism is certainly clear
     
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    Once again you evade and dodge and lie to avoid the argument. I never said anti fascists are anti first amendment I said antifa is and they openly express hostility towards it by attacking anyone they disagree with simply for expressing an opinion.

    Antifa and anti fascist are not the same thing but you always dodge by dishonestly and cowardly equating the two
     
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    Prove it. You're just making **** up. I don't deny that some anti-fascists are communists as well as anarchists or socialists or BLM or Democrats or anyone who opposes nazis and white nationalists.

    Which doesn't include you, apparently.

    You're just making **** up to make a false equivalency with the nazis and white supremacists.

    Why you would do so is the question, though your repeated refusal to deny you're a nazi or white supremacist is certainly telling.

    LOL, what an utterly stupid thing to say.

    I will state for the record that I am not a communist, and I do not support genocide or violence.

    The fact that you have repeated and consistently refused to deny you are a nazi/white supremacist, on the other hand, is certainly consistent with your posts and your repeated and baseless attempts to morally equate nazis and white supremacists with those who oppose them.
     
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    You can deny all you want but your statement is on the record. Your statement: 'When the ideology on the other side is overwhelmingly anti first amendment ..."

    Antifas are not anti-fascist?
     
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    • Insulting or personally attacking other posters (Rule 2)

    No I am not and the proof is in every rally they have attended organized now for MONTHS which you blithely ignore. They fly the communist/anarcho flag and assault people they disagree with or destroy the property of others.

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    They are not opposing nazis or fascists when they attack people at a milo apearence which they have done more than once. They are not opposing nazis or fascists when they attack people at a Ben Shapiro apearence which they have done more than once. They are not opposing nazis or fascists when they attack people who like or support Ann Coulter which they have done more than once. They are not opposing fascism or nazism when they attack people who vote for trump.

    It is a consistent ongoing routine behavior of theirs. They plan it ahead of time which proves organization which in turn proves you wrong.

    These are facts and irrefutable evidence proving you wrong.

    I have stated for the record I am no nazi and do not support them.

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    It is proven fact antifa is a communist organization opposed to free speech FACT NOT OPINION and that is proven and you ****ing know it.

    Condemning them and is just as valid as condemning nazis I condemn both it is you taking sides.
     
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    Wow. Antifa sure has brought a great many closet.racists out.
     
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    There you go again, taking the actions of some and using them to negatively attribute everyone in the group of people counter protesting the nazis and white supramists.

    And please explain how someone can be a communist and anarchist at the same time. Thanks.

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    See above.

    Huh, you could have fooled me with your posts. What about white supremacist? Do you deny that too?

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    It's not a proven fact at all that all anti-fascists are communists, and the fact that you utterly failed to prove your claim is all the proof I need.

    Damn right I am an anti-fascist.

    And you can make your silly and repulsive false equivalencies. You're fooling no one with what you are doing. And neither is donald.
     
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    Communism was a coherent ideology. It is hard to find "Marxists"/Communists these days who have actually read Marx Engels and Lenin. The neo-Nazis and Klan critters are probably more familiar with Marxist revolutionary theory than their antiFA "opposition".
     
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    You can't prove Antifa led the counter protest or that they are all commies who hate freedom of speech. People have been protesting Nazi marches long before Antifa showed up, those marches get a lot of people riled up. In fact if there was one in my town I might even show up to protest just for some excitement. It just seems like you find a few radical protesters and then lump them all into some communist far-left tent. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the protesters were Trump supporters.
     
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    Have you followed this Antifasshat problem the last few months?

    I only ask, because you seem to be defending them.
     
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    I have a problem with violence on both sides. You can't assign all counter-protesters one single label and make wild assumptions about what they believe because all sorts of people come out to counter-protest Nazis and white supremacists. Given just how unpopular these racists are a lot of different people come out against them.
     
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    FreshAir, knock the silliness off. By your insinuation, I am a Communist and a Leftist and also Chinese, because when I was part of a protest, there were Chinese people, Marxists, Communists, etc at the protest. You make absolutely no sense and you are completely illogical. The reality is, that the majority of people who were in Charolettsville were there to protest the removal of the statue of Robert E. Lee. They did not go there to show support for the Ku Klux Klan, nor the Neo-Nazis, they were there to legally protest the removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee.

    Here is a video from Texas, I will let the video explain itself.
    Suffice it to say, the Neo-Nazis came to the rally, does this mean that all of those who attended the rally are Neo-Nazis? As I stated, I will allow the video to explain itself. I am tired of you Leftist people running your racist canard, when in reality, MOST in Leftist movements are themselves racists.
     
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    Yadda yadda Yadda. The reality is that Antifa engage in violent actions meant to disrupt rallies and protests that they disagree with; there is no denying this. Antifa are agitators and I seriously believe that Antifa are actual agent-provocateurs working in coalition and tandem with The Rockefellers, and other corporate benefactors such as the Gates Foundation. Leftist movements are adjuncts of Globalists, and your coat or shield has long been exposed. The road to One World Government, i.e., GLOBALISM involves The Left and many on the so-called Right. Ron Paul knew about them and so does many others. With all of the blow-hard rhetoric, such movements are well funded and organized by CORPORATE benefactors, which helps to explain the pervasive elitist mentality of the Left and the pseudo-Right.
    Yes, Antifa are indeed the second coming of the National Socialists, aka, NAZIs

    Here is an interesting read: https://fabiansociety.wordpress.com/
    I almost forgot to include George Soros in the fray.
    Hypocrisy is extremely commonplace in the Left
     
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    A damning Pentagon study reveals that the American empire is on the brink of collapse and needs a devastating world war in order to hold it together.

    I posted the above statement so that people are aware that it is not just me and my wild-eyed distrust that drives my resistance to Globalism/Imperialism, the Left as well as many things that some take as granted about the collective position of this and other nations. Also, when the collapse takes place, please do not blame Mr. Donald J. Trump.
     
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    Mr. Trump made it expressly clear, is disdain of ALL HATE GROUPS during the press conference that I posted yesterday. And as I stated, nothing will satisfy these radicals, because in my opinion which is based on their movements and ideology, they are for the complete uprooting of everything which they have labeled "Critical Mass" for quite some time now.
    Apply the second definition to the political movements of Antifa, Ku Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis and the like. I have and I found an exact match of these people, their agendas and their political maneuverings through the Democrats (not all) and pseudo-Conservatives (Globalists). Their agenda is domination and that is not good for anyone involved.
     
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    I just posted three accounts of what transpired in Charolettesville; the last is from a Washington Post reporter. I retrieved the accounts from the LA Times website; there are seven different accounts all together and it was Antifa who initiated the violence in except for one account.
    Source: http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-charlottesville-witnesses-20170815-story.html
     
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    Again, you are lumping all counter-protesters with the trouble makers. We should be careful to deal with the trouble makers separately from the regular folks on both sides.
     
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    The reasoning behind my comments is self-evident. When Antifa arrived, that is when the widespread violence took place, this is what they did in Berkeley, CA, Boston, Mass and other places where they have engaged in their resistance. Their antics speak for themselves to the point of the people who participated in a rally to preserve the statue of Sam Houston made it clear, the Antifa and anyone else who wishes to come to spread hate and violence, would not be tolerated. I am not to blame for the violent activities and behaviors of Antifa, ONLY THEY ARE TO BLAME. I could say the same in reference to BLM, the New Black Panthers, and others. They leave a trail of violence in their desires to display their dissatisfaction. I am dissatisfied with many behaviors that take place in these United States, from police belligerence and indifference, to hatred of our President, Mr. Donald J. Trump but I do not engage in violence to display my severe dissatisfactions, but Antifa and the others can does as they please because we all have the freedom to do as we will. There is also the justice, which comes as a response to all behaviors. Then there is equality because we are ALL subject to natural law; Freedom, Justice, and Equality.

    As to your comment about "being careful not to deal with the troublemakers separately from the regular folks." This is EXACTLY what I was attempting to reason with another Liberal about the protesters at the rally who came to protest the removal of the General Robert E. Lee statue, but as usual, the Liberal chose to call everyone at the rally Klansmen and Neo-Nazis and even attempted to claim the President Trump is a RACIST because he had the unmitigated gall to say the both sides are responsible for the violence that took place. Remember, it takes two to tango.
     
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    Unlike you president Trump believes that violence has been seen on both sides not just one and on this point I completely agree with him and disagree with you. And I pointed out that not all counter-protesters are part of Antifa and not all of them are violent. Nazi rallies have been happening for decades and big counter-protests are extremely common and they usually consist of people around the community who don't like disgusting racists and want to let the racists know that the community doesn't agree with them in the slightest.
     
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    You REALLY have to look into antifa.

    They even attack liberals.

    I'll look for a link, but I believe it was Philly, maybe Boston, when a "Right" wing demonstration didn't have great numbers, BLM. & antifAssHats went at EACH OTHER!

    Animals, the lot.
     

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