Washington's Governor Turns State Into A Sanctuary State......

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That's just not good enough. The first point made is that sufgicient data are not available. True or not, that is a serious problem. The next is that the undocumented community has a worse crime rate than the US population as a whole. But, that isn't a logical comparison in that the undocumented population is poot, and should be compared to those of equivalent situation if you want to suggest that yhey are somehow more prone to criminality.

    After that, your cite is based on work by a different organization. So, find and cite the original. Neither the Daily Wire nor Fox have records of reliability in data analysis, and here you have one group reinterpreting the work of the other.
     
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    Absurd and that's not how crime statistics are generated (by pools of like situated peers). Either they commit more than one percent of all rapes and murders in this nation (as was the claim) or not.
    And since they constitute a population of at least eleven million people, or more likely more, the idea that they are somehow immune in large part to these crimes is absurd and considering the large gang population alone that exists within illegal urban populations, the claim is particularly absurd.

    This is for you to do if you want to carry things to that extreme. Not me. Statistics have been sighted and until you somehow prove them invalid they stand as reported.
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What would happen if state agencies simply refused to follow the illegal orders of the governor? Someone will, eventually, and I think we'll see these 'leaders' that want to break federal laws or hinder the enforcement of federal laws really have no teeth...
     
  4. WillReadmore

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    You cited a site that is far from neutral on this issue and that crunched numbers from another site that is far from neutral.

    There is abdolutely no reason that I should accept that.
     
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    Then don't accept it! It's absurd on the face of things to claim that native Americans
    account for an overwhelming majority (99%) of all murders and rapes and I've stated as such many times now and invited anyone to prove differently with no takers (unsurprisingly).
     
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    You understand that refusing to use state funds to pay for federal law enforcement doesn't make the state a "sanctuary state" right? The whole term sanctuary city/state is a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) buzzword
     
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    Boeing Takes Flight From Seattle

    They already are. Who ever will pay for their medicaid expansion when Obama Care falls.
     
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    From a historical pov this is the same issue the country faced before the Civil War with the fugitive slave act that required States to return escaped slaves to slavery. That provision was already written in the Constitution as original language.

    The question is can States ignore federal law without consequences? Of course they can if they (the people) are willing to fight a civil war in order to get their way.
     
  9. MMC

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    Then why did BO peeps Administration come up with a list of cities? Try a different deflection.
     
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    Let's certainly hope so, on both sides, that's sorta a fundamental concept of being an American isn't it?
     
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    Yes, no more federal funding. When their citizens' property taxes start going up, they may change their tune.
     
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    Wow! That's great news! What are the chances of Starbucks packing up and leaving too?
     
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    This is a red herring and it stinks like all dead fish. Washington received $9.7 billion dollars in federal aid in 2014. https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_state_budget_and_finances

    Let's be honest and state this is not about Washington afraid they will spend all their money calling up ICE agents to come and pick up the illegals they are holding. This is about a political ideology and Inslee and Washington (my home state, I am ashamed to say) are acting like Lester Maddox of Georgia
    when he refused to follow anti Jim Crow federal civil rights law (and he didn't blame it on money problems, at least)..


    I would say Washington is well compensated for the task of holding and notifying federal officers when an illegal immigrant is found out.
    Presumably they would be holding criminals in jail anyway, hopefully. The act of NOT cooperating and hiding illegal alien criminals away (no one seems to be
    talking about deporting non offenders anymore) from federal ICE agents is indeed a sanctuary city policy whether officially announced or not and Jay Inslee
    went ahead and removed all doubt anyway making that point moot.

    It has real meaning and consequences whether you acknowledge them
    or not.
     
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    Forget the wall. Texas instead should have buses stationed every few miles along their border with Mexico. When people cross they're loaded onto the buses and driven to Washington state and dropped off.

    Let's see how long it takes for the people in Washington to change their mind after it fills up with an extra few million Mexicans and central and south Americans.
     
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    Ding ding ding. We have a winner. It's a perfect solution.


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    I doubt they are, they are lefties. That's why I have never had a Starbucks coffee and never will.
     
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    I didn't offer a deflection. I pointed out that "sanctuary" city is a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) buzzword. Refusing to use state funds to pay for federal law enforcement is not altering immigration policy or offering asylum to illegal aliens. It's stating they don't have the money to do the FEDS job.
     
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    Lol, did you read the OP?

    nonsense. These states don't want to have to pay to do the FEDS job. Immigration is a FED issue, not a state or city issue. They shouldn't have to pay because politicians have done (*)(*)(*)(*) all about immigration (BOTH republicans and democrats alike) in decades.

    and again, nonsense. read the OP. The state will continue to honor FED warrants for any illegal they detain. They will not hold, house and pay for an illegal they happen to pick up. That is ICE's job.
    It doesn't, and I've demonstrated why
     
  19. MMC

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    Yeah and I pointed out BO peeps Administration....had kept a list over that bull(*)(*)(*)(*) buzzword.

    Oh and if they have picked up an illegal for any reason. Then they already have them detained.
     
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    having no relevance to the fact it's a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) buzzword with no meaning.

    Violating immigration law is a federal matter. States should not have to pay to do the FEDS job. Washington simply stated they will no longer pay to do the FEDS job. They will still honor federal warrants if the pick up an illegal. they will no longer detain, house, feed, etc an illegal. That is ICE's job.
     
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    Yes.


    We agree that both left and right wing politicians have enabled illegal immigration (the left for voter base, the right for a cheap compliant labor pool).
    But a state like Washington rakes in billions from the federal government...I don't believe for an instant that this is about money, though that's how guys like Inslee sells the issue to the public. His objections are all ideological, undoubtedly.
    How much does it cost to hold an illegal rapist (let's say) for pick up by ICE agents who will presumable take custody and deport this man? That's a rhetorical question....it doesn't take billions.


    Presumably local and state police would not be holding an illegal unless there was some
    legal issue so the idea that the Feds want Washington cops to round up and hold people purely for being here illegally is another red herring.
    Let's presume that same rapist who is here illegally gets arrested in Washington but due to sanctuary policy his presence is never alerted to ICE agents
    and now who gets to incarcerate, feed and medicate this man for a multi year stay in Washington state prisons?

    Not the feds! They may not even know this man exists because it's against sanctuary policy to inform them. Would it be cheaper for Washington to unload this man on the feds or to keep and care for him for years courtesy of Washington taxpayers? The question answers itself.

    You have either swallowed a bit of fiction, because you never thought it through or you are purposely promoting lie. I don't know which but your
    rationale doesn't hold up at all.

    Your demonstration is lacking.
     
  22. MMC

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    Blame BO peeps crew they thought it was worth having. They just forgot to destroy the list after they left office.



    In an executive order signed on Thursday, Gov. Jay Inslee (D) prohibited any state agency from detaining an illegal immigrant at the request of federal officials......snip~


    Note what he said.....that is refusing a direct request from the Feds who are doing their job.
     
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    you are confusing your deficiency in comprehension with my lacking in demonstration. I quite clearly showed why it's a bull(*)(*)(*)(*) buzzword.

    - - - Updated - - -

    you must not realize how silly you look when you stoop to childish pet name calling of the former president.




    post the entire quote
     
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    Not even on your best day could you compete in comprehension. Evidently it not BS in Politics.

    Awww and yet you don't say anything to the leftness with all they call Trump. Imagine that. Moreover I was calling him that long before you even knew anything about Bo peep. Even before you learned that he had become a Senator. Or a President.

    No Problem.

    In an executive order signed on Thursday, Gov. Jay Inslee (D) prohibited any state agency from detaining an illegal immigrant at the request of federal officials. It also prohibits the use of state resources for the creation of a database or registry for people of a particular religion. The state will, however, continue to honor federal arrest warrants.....snip~


    Let me guess you want to focus on that they will continue to honor federal arrest warrants. Or what is known as in Paper form. Despite not honoring any request until it can be in paper form correct?
     
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    Of course you did.
     

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