We came, we drilled, we polluted. Now we won't pay.

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by moon, Apr 21, 2014.

  1. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems to me you have a vendetta and personal attraction to BP.

    Fines, fees, and penalties should not be based on one's ability to pay punitive damages, but instead on the actual debt to society for their negligence.
     
  2. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do you have anything other than speculation regarding these supposed long term affects?

    It isn't anybody responsibility to prove your position and facts but yours.

    Show us some facts.
     
  3. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suppose showing tickets should be based on income as well?
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Some people won't be satisfied until they bankrupt the company and then string up the execs and watch them die.

    The hated is quite ugly.
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your definition of damages is not aligning with his.

    Damages is based upon the actual damage done to society.

    The PENALTY for the damage should be based upon the actual cost of the negligence.

    No where does ones income impact the damage or the penalty in my opinion.
     
  6. moon

    moon Well-Known Member

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    Not BP specifically- ALL environmental saboteurs.
     
  7. DrewBedson

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    You have evidence they deliberately caused this spill, please bring it forward for the appropriate laughter reaction.
     
  8. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Huh? I'm not sure what you're getting at on this....
     
  9. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    Damages aren't based on income usually, but fines for industry are usually set with the intent of affecting a company enough to deter them from doing a certain action. Ultimately, fines are related to income -- not specifically the income of any particular company but rather an amount set that is significant to the average company of the applicable industry. Otherwise, the fine isn't very effective.

    We started out talking about fines, and then damages awarded became part of the discussion.
     
  10. jc456

    jc456 New Member

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    Sorry, happened by this one. Really? LOL you lefties are truly silly people. Sily.

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    Huh?..........
     
  11. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So...BP sabotaged their own rig so that they'd lose profit...so that they could pay BILLIONS in fines? That could only make sense to an enviro-whacko.
     
  12. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fines and penalties should not be punitive. They should be based upon the debt owed to society to mitigate the damage.

    Unless of course you can prove the the company was INTENTIONALLY negligent.
     
  13. bobgnote

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    You mean, in court?

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/nov/15/nation/la-na-nn-bp-criminal-penalty-gulf-oil-spill-20121115

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ms-bp-for-gross-negligence-in-gulf-oil-spill/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/30/b...-phase-to-set-amount-of-oil-spilled.html?_r=0

    AND, Halliburton stinks:

    http://www.businessweek.com/article...-halliburtons-guilty-plea-is-good-news-for-bp

    As for INTENTIONALLY negligent, well now.

    As we all know, being an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) isn't illegal, is it.

    BP has been all (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s and elbows, since it was created, back when the CIA and MI6 boosted Iran, for the Shah, in 1953.

    Proving what an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) does, in US Court might make all those court officer gangstas uncomfortable, when they profiteer, on cheating discovery and continuing a myriad, of false processes, for profiteering.

    Hey, why prove an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) dumps and then tries to stuff loads, of 5-lb. bags, with 10 pounds, each?
     
  14. jc456

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    you're a hoot dude!!!! I see how you are, I see through your silliness. LOL
     
  15. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So they are intentionally negligent because you irrationally hate them?
     
  16. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure if punitive is the word you're looking for here. By definition, fines and penalties are punitive.

    The extent to which they should be punitive is where we seem to disagree.
     

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