We came, we drilled, we polluted. Now we won't pay.

Has anybody been jailed yet over this catastrophe ? No BP executives ? What is this ? Littering ?

Is BP still allowed to function in the US ? Which US politicians can be held accountable for that if they are ?

What action will the US government take if BP continues to refuse to pay ?

 

Actually, they have paid over $26 billion.

 

Perhaps you should take in the article. One third of its revenues for just one year doesn't even come close.

 

BP agreed it was at least 11 counts of manslaughter due to the loss of souls on the rig. God only knows how many laws are actually broken here when you look at the corners they cut.

Of course nobody goes to jail, they merely fine the corporation and keep the criminals in place to go (*)(*)(*)(*) on some other corner of the globe. BP pays a slap-on-the-wrist fine of 4.5 Billion USD, which is about a fifth of their annual profit for the year. The CEO Tony Hayward gets about a million dollars for "performance bonus" for the year that rig blew up. Good performance there BP!

Continue to hand them further free billions of taxpayer dollars in free cash, of course. In fact, they've probably returned the fine amount in welfare goodies by now.

 

If you are talking to me, their revenue is irrelevant to the issue of how much damage was caused. Also irrelevant to the issue of whether they have paid.

 

You said $26 billion like it was a lot of money to BP. I pointed out that was just one-third of one year's take.

Anyway, I'm not a Gulf guy with his house foreclosed- I'm just a topic starter.

 

Now watch, every con on the board will soon be on here saying how the Gulf Coast beaches are doing boom business. The long-tem damage? What long term damage? You can't PROVE there will even BE any long term damage from the worst Marine oil spill in history, since it's not 20-100 years from now. Besides,our children can handle all the disease and birth defects this will cause for generations. My Hummers full, I'm happy..

 

simple, don't allow them to drill anymore until they pay up

 

It's relevant to the simple fact that, if fines aren't high enough to encourage compliance and better safety from here on, then future disasters will continue to occur.

 

We need to sort out the blue collar crooks the same as the white collar crooks, and that is start prosecuting individuals for their crime, with no more corporate blanket of protection.

Like in the HSBC investigation... They laundered billions for the drug cartels, and they couldn't find evidence against a single person? Give me a break.

 

It's interesting how many Americans will allow their government, corporations, small businesses and Wall Street to get away with everything, including murder but when it's a non-American corporation - it's a disaster of gigantic proportions and any country but their own must pay as a result.

Such hypocrisy.

 

It may be named British Petroleum, but it employs a lot of Americans and has a rather infamous history of industrial accidents.

Obviously, other companies like them (like Exxon) should also be held accountable for their disasters and have been given way too much leeway.

That doesn't detract from the fact that what BP has done in the Gulf (and more recently in Lake Michigan) deserves fierce punishment.

 

No one is talking about fines. And the amount hasnt yet been determined.

 

Civil damages apply just the same.

 

NO, "damages" are the amount of "damage" done. The amount of money the defendant has, has no effect upon the amount of damages.

 

That wasn't what I was stating.

I'm saying if the damages awarded don't have the effect of encouraging more safety in the future, then more disasters will occur in the future.

This has already been shown by BP's behavior in the past. It's also been shown with Exxon.

 

Drill where, here? There's pretty much not enough oil left in the US or the Continental Shelf to make it worthwhile. Now all the cons will scream, there's billions of bbls, but that's not really enough when your demand is in the TRILLIONS, and it is. And yes, I realize the oil shales do contain trillions, but until Americans are willing to pay about $10 a gallon for gasoline it might just as well stay there. The fact is that only Saudi, (and just possibly the Russians,) have enough oil that's available at even barely affordable prices to really supply world demand, and that will be gone in a decade at present rates of use. You can drill the entire ocean, somehow put rigs in the Mariana Trench and you MIGHT hold off that inevitable point where there's no more oil by 20, maybe 30 years.

WHY are we spending money like Carl Sagan counted stars (billions and billions) on a technology that IS going to be obsolete, and far more likely sooner than later?

The ENTIRETY of BP's profits should be forced into alternate fuels research until their wells run dry. Especially the salaries of the CEO's who should all be paid a dollar a year until at least 90% of their earnings is from altenate sources. Then they can get a bonus they will actually DESERVE. If they (*)(*)(*)(*)(*), then see how they like jail food instead of filet mignon..

 

What you state, changes from one post to the next. Abandoning your previously challenged claims, and moving on to the next.

 

When I said, "Civil damages apply just the same," I didn't mean that the damages themselves are dependent on the money of the defendant.

I guess my response could have been phrased better.

 

Granny says, "Dat's right - let the lil' buggers lap it up...

Microbes Could Help Clean Up Oil Spills
May 02, 2014 ~ New research finds that a tiny microbe may play a big role in cleaning up oil spills and natural gas leaks.

 

If we shut them down we would be in trouble seeing as how they bought out ARCO and now are also in charge of the Alaskan pipeline which is so old and poorly maintained that they are basically having to rebuild the whole thing as they fight leaks left and right.

 

Wake me up when it's over as it seems they are paying out pretty good so far.

 

What a bunch of crap. Nature itself pours pollutants into the oceans all the time and has natural ways to clean it up. "Study: Oil-Eating Bacteria Mitigated Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill" That's right, natural bacteria is cleaning up a good portion of the Deepwater Horizon spill.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...acteria-mitigated-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill

Meanwhile the fanny-sitting government eco-fraud bureaucrats have fleeced BP to the tune of $26 BILLION? Then another hundreds of billions to NOAA? I wouldn't pay those eco-crooks one more red cent for so called 'studies' etc.

Hey if you eco-nuts are so worried about oil spills then why in the he!! don't you stop blocking truly clean power like nuclear energy? Why are you trying to stop fracking which could give US the worlds largest supply of natural gas which (if used in autos) would significantly reduce CO2 emissions?

It's pretty obvious why, because eco-fraud is a multi-BILLION dollar government/'green' business scam and as long as they (eco-frauds) keep pushing the never-to-be-realized dream of alternate fuel (defined by them privately as any fuel that is the least efficient and costliest) they can keep fleecing the fossil fuel industry and keep all of US under their boot-heel.

 

Now we know why gas prices are $3.80 a gallon...

... that and the fact that locally this is Derby weekend...

... gives Ashland/Marathon the chance to gouge ever'body comin' to the event.

 

$3,80? Here on the Left Coast it's about $4.00. That because we have reformulated 'special' gas and can't buy it across State lines. More enviro-eco-fraud and corruption. Don't laugh too hard, sh!t and weather flows East.