We Just Breached the 410 Parts Per Million Threshold

I got an idea.

How about Leftists pick up the tab on this one?

Yea, lets do that.

Lets pass a collection plate around to all the Leftist billionaires, the Hollywood halfwits, the liberal college campuses.

And then we'll make a new tax form with a check box that's lets people opt-in to paying a little more to fund ...whatever it is these people think they can do to "fix" the climate.

Lets do that for 10 years and see what happens.

Fair?

 

Think progress is progressive clap trap.

Scientific American has long promoted human failure to control climate.

The alarmists will deny it, but they hold the belief that humans control climate. What more can you make of the alarmists claims and fears? They blame man. To blame man means man has control of climate or global warming.

It totally ignores the actual reasons why climate changes.

We simply point out that climate is not found on a flat lined graph. It has zigs and zags all over. We show how the Great lakes were produced. And man did nothing at all to get the vast glaciers to melt.

Summed up, we think we are simply still recovering from an ice age. A vast amount of the earth is covered in ice.

It might be nice to have steady warm days all during the season from spring to the end of fall.

 

So what exactly are you trying to convince me of?

Caveman-made global warming?

 

No. Humans do not control the climate - we influence the climate.

As for natural changes, yes, they happen. Humans are just influencing the climate significantly faster than would occur naturally. In terms of increasing CO2 concentration, that rate is somewhere north of 50-100x the natural rate.

 

Have you sold your car and removed the Air Conditioning from your house yet?

 

No, I'm trying to get you to find out for yourself that modern humans and many of the currently existing plants and animals have never previously lived on a Planet where the CO2 concentration was this high.

According to NASA, and this Scientific American article, the last time that the CO2 concentration was this high was during the Pliocene, roughly 3-5 million years ago.

 

No. Are you still debating whether Dinosaurs existed?

 

Sea level rise is 1/8 inch per year. Frankly this amounts to nothing to report.

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

 

Claiming that Lindzen represents the consensus of climatologists on climate change is just plain ludicrous.

 

“There's a difference between interest and commitment. When you're interested in doing something, you do it only when circumstance permit. When you're committed to something, you accept no excuses, only results.”

 

Oh darned, and here I thought I could convince you of the science on climate change through the use of relevant experts, credible sources, and logical discussions, but I forgot that I needed to eliminate all reliance on fossil fuels, find you in real life, stop breathing and THEN I could convince you.

 

Then why are you reporting one of the predicted impacts from Climate Change?

 

Thanks obama.

 

I influence the speed of my car too. Does this mean i don't control it?

The left is making claims we get to control climate. If not, why bother me and others?

You say natural changes as if they are ultra tiny. Natural forces are the elephant in the room. We are the flea on the back of that elephant.

The natural rate is far too tiny to worry about the way you describe it. The far left is hyping the issue.

 

To try to explain how tiny it really is.

 

I didnt say anything about "consensus" that video was talking about 3 groups dealing with global warming and group 1 and 2 are scientists that dont believe in doomsday predictions..

if you want a video on consensus then here it is..

 

You keep trying to build this strawman. No, humans do not control the climate. We are a significant influential factor. If you want to think of it as controlling the climate, you're free to do so. That's your argument to make.

I never said that natural changes are ultra tiny. You can stop trying to build that strawman. The natural rate of change is much smaller than the rate experienced over the last 100-200 years. That's why we need to worry about the unnatural rate of change.

 

Let me propose a legitimate cause of more global warming than carbon dioxide.

We all know by this date the population of Earth is very much larger than it was 78 years ago when i was born.

We know humans need heated homes, and buildings, and cars. We know humans of today need a lot more energy than they did 78 years ago. Your Africans by virtue of their massive population increase have more open fires. They commonly fix food using open flames.

So it is not carbon dioxide, but billions more humans and billions more animals.

The left wingers might get the idea we need a mass extinction right about now.

 

Another Youtube Video?!!?!? Yaay!

 

i know the digital age is amazing.. or would you prefer i hand write a letter to you and put it in the mail?

 

I'd rather see something from a reputable source of science - not partisan political cartoons.

 

Are you not suggesting we know how to refreeze the Arctic?

If you are not telling me humans control climate, why bother discussing this?

There is no reason for the left to blame humans yet at the same time not blame humans.

I posted where since I was born in 1938, population exploded. I don't worry about Carbon Dioxide nearly as much as the extra energy used by the population explosion. From your home, to your car to your factories, you keep adding heat to the earth.

But the left does not discuss this.

Unless we embark on some kind of human and animal extermination scheme, we won't stop adding heat to the atmosphere.

 

I laugh. Why won't the left use credible and reputable sources?

 

Well you can keep using the bunk science used by the Democrats.

 

So your "legitimate cause" of warming is...the collective heat from more fires and heating units?