We Just Breached the 410 Parts Per Million Threshold

Like the warmies of today, they think they're right.

 

Again, any direct heating of the atmosphere that humans do does not show up as a detectable source of change in earth's temperature. It's just not an issue.

We could build windmills to power acres of electric space heaters and it would not change earth's temperature.

 

and that is the one we need consensus on if we are going to cripple our economy and stop 3rd world countries from industrializing...

 

You either believe, you don't or sacrificing for your beliefs are for other people

 

Much of the claims that 97 percent blame humans is flat wrong.

Thus far, they do not show the correct math to prove those claims.

I posted the correct formula that would prove man is the SOB doing this dastardly deed.
But it shows it is natural.

Let me put it like this.

The formula used is accurate. It matches what is going on. The models relied on by the Democrats are not accurate.

I would love to show the formula again but it is calculus and includes some constants that do not display well other than in the video. The video is rejected by the Democrats. Funny how that works.

 

They fight against nuclear energy though our own navy has proved how reliable and safe it actually is. Still they reject nuclear plants. We have a great waste disposal place too. They reject that.
Then they want our full cooperation.

Funny how that works.

 

Actually, we are and will find more efficient ways of making, storing and using energy... to fight for what will be a museum display of coal and oil is futile. What progress have we made if that progress practices genocide in favor of profit for consumption? What ideals are you proposing we fight for?

 

Three major flaws... Chernobyl, Fukushima, and the thousand year old half life of radioactive waste material...

 

It is a false choice to claim that we need to choose between crippling our economy and stopping 3rd world countries from industrializing and doing something about climate change.

After all, in the last two years, the Global GDP continued to grow while CO2 production stopped or decreased.

 

i'll start out by saying that if we could figure out how to eliminate about 4 billion of the earth's residents, then move forward with a static 3.5 billion population that would be a hell of a good start.

now that i've set the that aside and knowing the ugly fact that we're heading towards 8 billion and counting, we're really in for some trouble, but maybe the first world can set an example so developing areas can learn from out mistakes.

Personally I have a hard time relating to some 3rd world individual that just needs a light bulb to read at night when my primary concern is that netflix crashed for 5 minutes and I had to reboot my router. (curse words were involved, it was quite tragic)

I most certainly think that we could modify our US living standards and make a real impact w/o really seriously impacting our lives very much. I learned my lesson recently just how wasteful I am at 50 compared to my 23 yr old on her own. During a recent 4 day visit I was reminded about 15 times that I was burning energy at a faster pace, lights are always off unless needed (apparently I leave a trail of lights to show where i've been), The AC is set 2 degrees higher than my normal, rigid recycling program, air drying clothes, hand washing 80% of dishes, it was opposite of Urban Amish to some degree, high tech but low impact.

There were some legit inconveniences involved but it was a bit of a setback to realize how different I view my impact vs my next generation. If collectively we made just slight changes in our actions we could make a dramatic difference with how much we waste.

 

That is a false choice.

 

That is some real solid logic there.

 

If you think I am fighting for coal ... well you may want to peek at the bridge over the Mississippi for sale.

As a realist, I realize we became vastly more prosperous due to the uses of not only coal, but fuels based on crude oil. We should not deny we got where we are on the back of crude oil. We have a reprieve today due to natural gas.

But when people talk of warming the planet to me, they should recall with pride what we are is due to fossil fuels and not act so hateful.

Coal and oil is not practicing genocide. Per the Democrats, all the heat produced by the billions more humans and animals in my lifetime escapes to space.

I truly don't know why they are rushing about with their hair on fire.

You know how long they have been working me over? Going on 20 years. They promised massive flooding, super storms and it sounded as if we would be suffocating by today.

They got it wrong. Now they want me to stay frightened. They cried wolf too many times.

 

Cook's results are essentially the same as the independent work of others. Criticism of his work has often been specifically motivated by a desire to detract, motivating misdirection.

The representation of Dr. Hulme is off the mark and out of context. This person studies the sociological issues of populism vs. mainstream thought in general, with climate change being one case where the mainstream of science is opposed by populist movements. He's written in support of the risks of climate change being serious, worthy of action and has noted that our energy portfolio is not sustainable.

 

Ok...and? You are still using a quote from 100 years ago as a justification for ignoring scientists today. Scientists that are perfectly capable of learning from previous mistakes and have the added benefit of exponentially more information and resources in order to reach their conclusions.

 

Frankly logic is used for speaking. I am explaining the science backs me up.

 

You're trying to hide behind that "control" word.

Humans DO have an effect. In fact, humans are the major factor in warming. And, we can change that effect.

Lucky for us, the consensus suggests a combination of reducing our effect and mitigating the damage done by what we fail to eliminate.

Even deniers such as Curry point out that we need to be working on mitigation starting immediately.

 

There are millions of dollars flowing annually to those who blame humans for climate. Then they inform us humans can't control climate. Then why the heck do they bother us with what humans do if they can't control climate?

 

it's a conspiracy, he looks like Charles Manson and bush sounds like Charles Manson, they are out to get us

 

You just defended humans controlling climate. Brilliant. Thank you.

The term denier is not scientific.
Do you deny cold fusion?

I post what I call the Curry corner and she is not proposing we do things immediately.

 

You really love the word "control," don't you?

 

Why aren't you posting the Youtube videos which PROVE that the planet is Flat?

 

John Cook is famous for communications.

From his own site.

 

Which cost the lives of untold millions of people along the way... using the same principle of the carcinogens and particulate matter that causes the deaths of 100's of 1,000's Americans today.

No, what we are today is of education, knowledge, wisdom, invention, innovation, and ingenuity. Fossil fuels play as much into it as whale oil does.

If smoking a cigarette is much like suicide, burning material that spreads carcinogens and particulate matter from extraction, to transport, to refinement, to distribution, to use, is much like genocide.

Maybe we just want you to finally grow up...

 

Well, I prefer just the opposite. I do not ascribe to the hypothesis that humans are in any fashion in charge of climate or warming.

AGW blames man. If that is not control, I know not what it is.

I have an impact on my front door when opening it. I control my entry and exit.

Now who is denying they blame man for climate or warming?