We need to change America !

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  1. usa2016

    usa2016 Newly Registered

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    The United States needs a leader that can put America back into a position of leadership in the Global Community. But not only restore America's reputation on a Global front but fix things at home. We need jobs, we need economic growth and we need to get the economy going so we can put people back to work. Government is getting too big and playing a huge part in our everyday lives. I thought this was America,the land of the free. Who is the government to make us take Obamacare and lay the burden on the working people and small business to pay for it. Instead of pushing for Obamacare, we should have been focused on getting the Economy going and creating jobs. Our national deficit is growing to the point of being out of control. The government takes our tax money and spends it however they see fit. Who is monitoring them on what and where they spend our money? A five year old boy knows that if he doesn't have 50 cents in his pocket that he can't buy a candy bar. But the government spends like they have endless amounts of cash. Unfortunately, our children will be the ones paying for it. And, exactly who makes the decisions to bail out banks and large business. What about small businesses, who is bailing them out? And what ever happened to common sense and listening to an issue and voting on an issue because you think its right and the right thing to do for both America and the American People. Republicans and Democrats can't agree on anything and they vote just so their party wins. I remember when they were fighting back and forth as the Economy hung in limbo with many Americans wondering if our economy was going to collapse. Was I the only one that noticed that the Republicans and Democrats seemed more interested in fighting for what was best for them as all of America, not to mention the World watched waiting for action that would hopefully solve our problems. What about the America people and doing what is best for America and not worrying about milking money out of the other side to grease the palms of the friends and supporters of the Politicians. This country needs help and it needs help now. I am just a young entrepreneur and I would love to run for office. I would love to be a voice for the people and make decisions because its in everyones best interest. But what can one person do when the system is so big and the American people really don't have a say one way or another in what happens in this Country. The government has too much power and they don't listen to what the people want or even what the people think is best. Let's take our country back. Let's start our own party. One that thinks and does what's best for everyone, just not the 50% of the people in our party. I hope this post finds support. God Bless America !
     
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    thoughtprocess Well-Known Member

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    Well I agree with you mostly except on healthcare. You have to add to and two together. Millions of americans out off work in an instant. What does that mean. It means without that job you will lose your healthcare. And health care as it stood it would have been such, a suck on the economy because of merely emergency care. I dont agree with the specifics of Obama care but some care was needed to avoid that crisis. The bailouts under Obama has been paid mostly it was a true investment in the private sector. The problem which is immediate and devastating to our economy is foriegn policy. Our interest abroad cost billions of dollars. I see senator and congressman run under the banner america first. That is not at all america first. Its american interest at the the cost of revenue and jobs. The world has grown now is the time to treat them as grown up because we so drastically need to advance our future. The strength of America is that of a leader in the world now is the time to revamp America so we all our self leaders and dont need government to grant us that. The problem and the reality is for so many to get to that point one needs a successful government that is not weighed down by wars and stimulus packages. America will succeed under any president because we as Americans have to feed our families but to get to the point where we are suppose to be we need consistancy. To end it I must say this to truly love America and oneself one must progress no matter what no matter what president, what congress, what circumstance. The complaining is just a brief moment of weakness because that heart that we have will and WILL change help and America Progress exactly where we should already be and beyond.
     
  3. 9/11 was an inside job

    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    Unlike many posters here your awake and understand whats going on,You understand that we need a third party president in office if we are ever going to change things.many posters around here are not like you,Open minded and understand that there is no difference between the two parties.

    Both parties are corrupt and neither represent the people.Its REALLY a ONE PARTY SYSTEM designed to look like two parties so the american sheople think they have a choice in who gets elected.

    You hit the nail right on the head.The government ignores the people and doesnt listen to what they want.You got to understand thats because we dont elect these presidents or put them in office,they are selected by the establishment.go back the past 50 years and each president that has been in office has been more corrupt than the previous one and thats because they are there to serve wall street and the establishment,not us.Both Obama and Romney are funded by goldman sachs and wall street,so they are there to serve them not us.The establishment does not care which one is the new president because neither believe in the constitution.

    in a perfect world we would have the two finalists be between Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. what many posters here dont realise is that Obamacare is Romney care as well.he was one of the first ones to sign it.
     
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    thoughtprocess Well-Known Member

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    The third party is more of the people I dont know why people dont get that. They must watch to much college football and just have that history to go for one team. The third party is intelligent and know what the country needs. The hard choices to them is not hard at all. America first why cant we get that? America IS incomplete but democrats and republicans only play on winning and losing and OUR america. The reality is america is INCOMPLETE. we are not the best or the brightest we just have and educated, skilled, and robust military. We are suppose to have a robust economy, education values, military, as well as research and development. When did we let government just be a government, when did we let america be held hostage by either rebuplican talking points or democrat. There a third party candidates with real ideas, real solutions, and real policy. Will it take a Penn state moment for us to realize that? But definetly a good point
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    we are in nazi germany right now,many people here cant accept that.They need to wake the hell up that the majority of cops are corrupt,lawyers lie,judges lie,cops lie,the majority of congress is bought off and paid for and the media is just a TOOL for the government.They dont investigate real news.

    The RNC sabotoged Ron Pauls strategy to get delegates by changing the rules at the very last minute that day and our corrupt court system throughout the lawsuit delegates of Romneys they had who were suing the RNC ofr forcing them to be delegates of Romneys when they wanted to be delegates for Paul.

    Thats not a free country.If thats not nazi germany I dont know what is.Because the RNC sabotoged ron pauls campaine I am going to be pulling for Obama to win since we have to have the choice of choosing between these two clowns.

    Hey if you dont mind,could you read this opening post of mine on this thread of mine here and post on my thread? would appreciate it.The Romney apologists want it to die but we cant let that happen.:nod: lol

    http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...ns-why-you-fool-if-you-vote-obama-romney.html
     
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    Umm i havent been here a while so post the link for me and I will definetly try to comprehend an intelligent mind. Ron paul lost because both parties layed him to rest not taking him seriously. But Ron Paul has a valid budget and valid polices. In contrast we have two vague candidates who only talk of each other. I have always respected Paul but I dont believe he is a true leader. Dont get mad but I belive there is someone in his camp who isnt so carefree and unagressive. Thats the person I want to come to the forefront. Ron Paul with his money doesnt make that loud of a noise. He should take the money it takes to run for president and like Carl Rove lead his belief for the American people. America isnt broken it is America has made poor decisions. We let government get this way and then blame government. We need to have some sort of moral compass that doesnt include merely pride. The third party is valid and educated. The third party anticipates the trouble and then can say I told you so but they dont they just try to advance their belief. The country is now a kim kardashian reality show where image is everything. Really? Lets get it together, TOGETHER and vote for country not for party please.... We can be so great because of freedom so love it, live it and and progress. Two parties should have been so 90s. Oh almost forgot I will never classify america as Nazi. More like a passive russia. America is great we just have been derailed by having to work tooooo hard to live we are not evil nor dumb just tired
     
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    9/11 was an inside job Well-Known Member

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    Dude that is the link in blue at the bottom there.lol. all you got to do is click on it.lol

    Oh and I just explained why Ron Paul lost.you should read that post again.they sabotoged him clear and simple.
     
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    I told you i just got back Lol cut me some slack geez
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Shoot, I'll be happy with someone who isn't just dedicated to enriching the 1%.
     
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    Starting a new party always sounds like a good idea, but just look what happened when the Whigs faded away and the Republicans took thier place.

    I think America is actually perfect the way it is.

    Checks and balances are still in place. No party is in power longer than 8 years. The constitution is in tact and relativelly unchanged.

    I'm always skeptical of people who have sweeping ideas that will make everything better. Humans are most productive within a mix of suffering and prosperity
     
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    But let me ask a question of you. Do you agree that democrats and republicans sabotage america? Its a harsh question but let me explain. Everytime a republican advances america a democrat undos all the good that has been done and vice versa. American is indeed an a standstill we are at a place where this is it. Drill and alaska and try alternative fuels with no real fight. No real change happens only an immediate change of course. The policies lead america to complaceny because we are constantly put back to the point that we have to pick ourselves up and rebuild just to make it back to where we were slowly pushing forward in the good times. Not asking as an American but a HUMAN in america. Does this path lead to a greater American. IF your answer is eventually what can we do to make that progression more immediate?
     
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    I believe that Democrats and Republicans try to obstruct any positive progress the other might make when they are in charge, and I think that is good about half the time, and bad about half the time.

    It's actually far worse in parliamentary democracies, like Turkey for example. They have, like, 8 parties, and they change so often they don't even have a chance to implement anything. So it's a cacophany of promises that are never kept, and they live in a perpetual state of "political want"

    I don't want to be long winded....but the world is catching up to America economically, and the reason America prospered so significantly between 1946-2000 was because in 1946, the rest of the world was devastated, and was without powerplants or cash. It took a few generations to rebuild the infrastructure, then another few generations to pay for the kids to go to college.....now.....America isn't so much in decline, and the rest of the world is profiting on their individual "50 year plan"s. Americans have become soft in thier prosperity, and are prone to blaming every other American but ourselves for our waning dominance.

    It is the suffering that will come to Americans from increased global competition that is our salvation. Democratic and Republican onstructionism will cause those positive personal changes to come sooner.

    We probably won't regain the 2.5 child, 3 car, middle class family w/RV,boat, and winter cabin on the lake for most of us. The positive change I'm talking about will be the process of getting used to that, and figuring out how to be a successful nation that manufactures less and has stiff competition everywhere.
     

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