We Were "This Close" Says Iran

Envy is so evident in your post it’s almost dripping.....

 

There was a thread in this forum not long ago, showing a bunch of US bombers lined up to bomb Iran if Iran retaliated for the assassination of General Soleimani. I had mentioned what needed to be mentioned about drivel such as your's their, when the picture used was even more relevant and realistic as it supposedly showed US bombers lined up in case of war with Iran.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-lightning-ii-stealth.566513/#post-1071320824


Read my comments there (along with many other threads where I go into the details with all the patience I could muster despite the nonsense I have encountered) and, with the perspective of time and events, see whether what I had said will begin to sink into your head? Probably not. But I am, really, no longer in the mood to try to inform and educate people who just simply prefer to be ignorant. Otherwise, the facts are clear and I will state them again as simply as I can: Yes, the US can hurt Iran in many ways and do irreparable damage to the country. No, the US cannot prevent Iran from hitting tens of thousands of US troops all across the region, numerous US naval vessels in Iran's vicinity, closing off key waters ways, destroying much of the infrastructure that fuel many of the western economies and the global economic system, not to mention level Israel and other US 'allies' in the region to rubble. For all those reasons,, the US will not be looking to start a war with Iran on pretexts (as opposed to real causes, where none other US imperial exist) and using labels and threats. For the US, war with Iran would be a 'war of choice' and there is no reason any sane individual would make that choice given the costs.

 

So now Iran forces are hitting 10s of 1000s of U.S. forces, leveling Israel and just for good measure defeating all other America allies in the area in your fantasy world? The plans then includes infrastructure attacked to shut down exports of other countries in the area and shutting down international shipping in the area as well... You realize that would bring yet more military power of western countries and Middle Eastern countries to bear on Iran if they did that right? So now it's basically Iran vs The West, other countries in the Middle East and Israel? Your estimation of the ability of the Iranian military are so overblown as to be completely comical at this point.

If Iran stops their exporting of terrorism, their desire to obtain nuclear weapons and their desire to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth their would be no issue that would warrant the attention of the West. As long as they continue to do so then both military presume and economic sanctions will continue to cripple Iran as they currently are.

 

It's like the reincarnation of Baghdad Bob.

 

No, unlike Baghdad Bob, I am no CIA mole or agent. Baghdad Bob denied being one, but he lives comfortably in Jordan and, besides being paid to supply information to the US in the run up to the war, was also used to mislead Saddam about the actual state of his capital's defenses. This when other Iraqi generals tasked to defend Baghdad and bleed the US in urban warfare had already been contacted by the CIA and bribed by the US - including being promised the same kind of relocation package "Baghdad Bob" received. As a result, many of them had left their posts, with the defenses of Baghdad left vacant, letting the city be open for US forces to march into it without a real fight. He was used mainly to mislead Saddam in hopes to prevent him from leaving his capital for the US to be able to capture him.

 

That is Iran's official position in case of any war with the US, as laid out not only by Iran's revolutionary guards but even Iran's dovish foreign minister. And US regional allies have been given due notice as well. Do a little research. None of what I said is new and all of it is widely reported.

These images were meant as "illustration" of what Iran would do in case of a war and go along with Iran's established position of what will happen in case of a war with the US.

Iran wouldn't initiate a war, but if the US starts one, Iran will be targeting all countries allied to the US and hosting US bases in the region and beyond. All the other countries that would be involved, besides the US, add virtually nothing to what the US would bring to the table in case of a war.

Please. Stupid labels aren't going to advance any argument. Not with Iran. Not with me.

Been there, done that. I was opposed to the JCPOA as I believe Iran should have surge capacity, if not nukes. But Iran fell for that fraud and trap and now needs to find ways to extricate itself from it. Despite Trump pulling out of the JCPOA, and Iran taking some measures in response in terms of its uranium enrichment program, the truth is that the fifth columnists within Iran have so far tied Iran's hands -- and Iran is still complying with not just the NPT but even the additional protocol to the NPT. The latter a total insult to Iran and something that one day some of the officials who have been trying to keep Iran's hands tied will need to explain to the Iranian people as the only threat that Iran faces that is at all realistic is the threat of being subjected to a nuclear attack. Without nukes, no one could threaten Iran in ways that Iran couldn't threaten back.

Iran's position isn't that it will be 'wiping Israel off the face of the Earth", not unless there is a US or Israeli attack against Iran. Absent a war initiated by the US/Israel, Iran's position is that Israel is illegitimate, a foreign implant, a colonial outpost, and one that will cease to exist overtime. And that all regional countries should help and assist the Palestinians and others aggrieved by Israeli aggression to help offset all that is invested into Israel and its military by its supporters in the US and elsewhere.

The only issue that exists even now is US/Israeli attempts at hegemony and control over the region. And Iran will resist that.

You can imagine Iran is being crippled, but I know better. And it is not. Iran's economy, which took some hits, has largely recovered and is beginning to show growth again. Iran's stock market, if anything, is booming.

 

Read the little mouse that roared.

 

As they would be targeting you along with the US. Once your power and water infrastructure goes out the white flag is sure to follow. Remember Iran couldn't even beat Iraq in a war.

 

Iran fought Iraq in the 1980s (32-40 years ago), right after the Iranian revolution, when its previous armed forces (equipped by the US and led by US trained officers) were being purged and replaced with a force which still didn't produce much on its own and was cut off from any foreign supplies. Even then, Iraq had the backing of the Soviet bloc (which provided Saddam his military armaments), much of NATO and, in particular, France (which supplied him a lot of his advanced weapons too), and the Arab league (minus Syria, which poured hundreds of billions of USD into Saddam's war machine). Even with all that, and even with the US provided Saddam battlefield intelligence, and being able to read Iran's encrypted messages to pass along to the Iraqis because of the CIA ownership of the company that had supplied encrypted machines to Iran, it was ultimately the extensive use of chemical weapons that saved Saddam from defeat.

Anyway, the real lessons from the Iran-Iraq war, and the US wars against Iraq, are very different than what you imagine them to be. There are real lessons there, but not all what is in your mind.

 

In the meantime, a nice gesture by Hezbollah.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/giant-soleimani-statue-unveiled-by-hezbollah-near-israel-border/
Giant Soleimani statue unveiled by Hezbollah near Israel border

The same
report in the Iranian media, however, is less polemical and more appropriate. It contains a video too.

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...i-terror-gen-soleimani-in-border-region-video

Lebanon’s Hezbollah Unveils Statue of Iranian Anti-Terror Gen. Soleimani in Border Region (+Video)
TEHRAN (Tasnim) - Lebanese resistance movement Hezbollah has unveiled a statue of Iranian Lt. General Qassem Soleimani in the southern Lebanese border town of Maroun al-Ras.

 

An odd suggestion, to say the least, given that I am not aware that you want to concede defeat! Or perhaps you don't know the story in that satirical novel? Or perhaps you imagine that the US is the little mouse that roars and ends up winning?

 

As an aside, sometimes people say things which sound more true than anything they intended by it! I say this in relation to the story of the Little Mouse That Roared because, from my perspective, a declared war between Iran and the US is preferable to the current undeclared war. In a declared war, either Iran is able to finally force the US to give up its campaign of economic, diplomatic, geopolitical and political warfare against Iran. In which case, Iran would become a major power commensurate with what it would rightly be absent US meddling in the region. Or, alternatively, Iran loses -- and the Iranian-American community (which are quite affluent, and substantial enough in number, but politically divided and unable to muster much influence when Iran and the US are at logger heads) will force the US to take up responsibility to rebuild what it has broken. The latter, something akin to what motivated the prince of the Dutchy in the story of the little mouse that roared to declare war on the US in the first place.

I admit: I prefer war to what we have now. As long as nukes are taken out of the equation (and Iran's cultural sites are actually spared), I don't think the damage in the long run (either way, whether Iran wins or loses or even in the likeliest case of a negotiated settlement after a stalemate) will be worse than what awaits Iran by being kept under the chains of American sanctions and maneuvers to limit its potential.

 

Iran is trying to save face !!
Trump assassinating that General was so awesome

 

Stealing Syria's oil? With America now the leading producer in the world just what are we doing with all that Syrian oil? Besides, we're still trying to dispose of all that Iraqi oil we stole so where will we put Syria's?

 

Now your defending even more terrorist. I'm done exchanging thoughts with you.

 

Note that in the great mosques and art of Islam there is no hint that human life exists.

 

These pictures should give you a better clue. And this is just a very small sample focusing on the paintings from one monument from the Safavid dynasty (1501-1724) which established the Shia faith as Iran's official religion. If you need more examples, I will be happy to fill this thread with paintings from Iran through different period in Iranian history, up to the present time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chehel_Sotoun

On the interior walls of the Chehl Sotoun, these are the kind of paintings you would see.




and much more...

 

I am not that well traveled, never been to that part of the world. I concede that you are correct.

 

Envy over what? The fact that you can’t respond to any of the arguments proves how clueless you are.

 

Envy over what you know to be the truth. American a country and society you seem not to care much for, is a world if not the world superpower. And Iran....well no so much.

Now do you care to address the societal acceptance of abuse of women in Iran? Or are you to keep deflecting and dodging it? As many faults as American society has one we do not have is allowing men to abuse women. I'm curious how a society who prides itself on masculinity accepts the cowardly act of men abusing women.

 

I read the comments here and I literally want to throw up seeing how delusional some people can be. And how insistent they prefer to be in their delusions about a country they know nothing about. Except some propaganda they have been exposed to.

 

In the real Iran, and not that fits anyone of the narratives I read here, women are often in much stronger positions within the family and society than women in the US.

Within the family, most women in Iran, in fact, have a huge stick they hold over their husband's head. It is called "mehriyeh": a large sum (well over his actual means) that most husbands agree to pay to their wives on demand. Many men in Iran were languishing in jails because they weren't able to pay "mehriyeh", until a new judicial rulings which now allow those who legitimately cannot pay the full sum to agree to pay it in installments up to their financial ability. While there are always exceptions in every society, in Iran, the balance of power within the family is usually decidedly in favor of women.

Outside the family, in terms of education, welfare and other things, Iranian women make up 60% and even 70% of Iran's university students and graduates. They make up a large part of the workforce. These days, you are as likely to end up finding a female be your dentist, doctor, lawyer, or your boss, than a male.

Besides all that, even what many would consider the ills of western society have affected Iranian society as well. Iran ranks 7th in the world in expenditures on cosmetic products. It ranks among the top 10 in plastic surgery. Over 80% of Iranian high school students, including high school girls, have sexual relations outside of wedlock and almost all Iranian kids have boyfriends and girlfriends. Many live together and cohabitate without being married. Divorce rates have been on the rise in Iran for a long time and people are getting married (if at all) much later in life, usually now in their late 20s and 30s.

The nonsense some like to spew about Iran is absurd and doesn't have anything to do with the actual society in Iran.

 

Excuses are like backsides, everyone's got one.

 

Iran ain't winning anything, even Iraq beat you.

 

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