Wells Fargo, TD Bank turn over Trump financial records to House Dems

And they'll be harassed for more and more, because they set this fourth amendment breaking precedent. America lost freedoms, to get to Trump. Are we happy?

 

America hasn't lost a single freedom due to anything Congress has done in 2019... Trump is just starting to realize that his personal freedoms were severely curtailed, starting in Nov 2016 then picking up Jan 2019.... Too bad nobody told him about those possibilities, huh...

No, we are not happy because Trump still hasn't produced, or been made to produce, requested materials...

 

Simple, I cite the Fourth Amendment and it's relevant statues to actually be ENFORCED. Records encompasses everything: Medical records, TAX records, bank statements. The whole shabang. Why do you think there's patient-doctor confidentiality(except in rare circumstances as required by law.)

We ALL lost freedoms to get Trump's tax returns. I hope it's worth it.

 

We didn’t lose any freedoms, stop being dramatic. You’ve made it clear you want an imperial president, but that’s not how our system works.

 

This isn’t even about his taxes.
That’s a separate law you don’t like lol

 

Right wingers LOVE the law until it is applied to them or those they support...

 

It's all encompassed in that Fourth Amendment. That's why they say for example "We'll never sell your information". The greatest benefit of the Trump presidency, is we're seeing how much Judges have violated the Original Intent of the Constitution. And you're happy now, because it gets Trump.

But it can easily get The Mello Guy, and the rest of us.

 

They followed the 4th to get his info, you just don’t like it.
I don’t wanna show you what I’m hiding even though you got a court order, is not what the 4th says lol

 

Let me see your financial records and if you don't let me see them, then you are hiding something and must be involved in some wrong doing. I just know it.

 

Exactly.

All of Trump's Supporters want an Imperial Presidency (with the Orange Buffoon as their God-Emperor).

At this point, they will use any ridiculous "rationale" to defend that EGREGIOUSLY UNPREPARED IMBECILE.

It is what it is.:smh:

 

Elect me president and you will.

 

There is no law requiring a President to disclose their financial records.

 

I'd say that's a legitimate legislative purpose then...

 

Nope, but there is a law that gives congress subpoena power.
I don’t believe in a right to privacy for the president. Especially not their finances, and the emoluments clause suggests the framers didn’t either.

 

Actually, that's a gross misinterpretation of the emoluments clause. It was only meant to prevent foreign bribery of the President. It wasn't meant as an excuse to look into the President's personal bank statements, just to satisfy this perverted curiosity(without any proof, I have to add.)

We all lost freedoms. The Fourth Amendment is officially dead. And since as you said "you don't believe in a right to privacy for the president", there's equally no right for us as well.

 

So how do you know if he’s been bribed without seeing his finances??? The honor system? Lol
Sounds like congress has a clear interest.

 

So, is this how we should conduct ourselves for future presidents? I'm just wondering if we should probe Joe Biden in the same manner as Trump? I mean, if this is the new standard we're holding the Presidency to, it would be grossly unfair(though not surprising) if we held this standard only for Trump.

 

I disagree. Until there is evidence, I am not vindicating the man, but there is certainly reason to suspect and investigate. You see things differently, and I respect your right to do that. Kindly respect mine and don't assume my motivations are 'hate'.

 

Problem is that this President is intricately involved with foreign properties and investments. Preventing foreign bribery is going to require looking into his foreign investments. No other President has been this closely tied to the new international economy. And no other President has so many ties and loans from foreign interests.

 

It's not a new standard - President Carter was harassed by a Republican Congress and all he had was a peanut farm - they worried about possible conflicts of interest. Trump just has far more international holdings and international loan partners.

 

Oh please. How did Judges violate "original intent?"
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/arkansas/docs/recs.html

 

This touches on another argument: How can one reasonably interpret the emoluments clause in this international economy? Like, you do realize how absurd it sounded when you typed it right? "We believe in open markets and a global economy, but the president was a businessperson who participated in said open markets and global economy."

It's a conflict of political beliefs, with the outdated law. The easy way to interpret, is that we'd need clear evidence of a foreign power attempting to BUY OFF the President. That's what that clause was MEANT for. Not "OMG, he has shares of a British golf course, let's look into it."

If his tax records come off as clear, I really hope we all learn from this.

 

Cute joke.

 

Have you read the 4th amendment?

 

The Fourth Amendment is clear: Without a warrant, our records(and places of residence) should be off limits. This had been recently expanded to include cars and other places where a person may reside(if temporarily). I'm guessing that a subponea has the same legal function as a warrant, but of note here, is that the subponea came from the prosecutors.

Not as right now, where the subponea came from Congress. That is to say, "Congressional subponeas" should be seen as less of standing(I've recently made the argument they shouldn't have them at all.) In our flawed world, congresspersons in response to Trump have shown themselves to be less trustworthy than a prosecutor, which is amazing to say.