What are your views on abortion?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Daggdag, Oct 19, 2020.

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Which best describes your view on abortion

  1. A woman has the right to choose to get an abortion with no limitations.

    41 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. Abortion should be illegal after the first trimester

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%
  3. Abortion should be illegal except to preserve the health and life of the mother.

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. Abortion should be illegal in all circumstances.

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    That's nothing even REMOTELY like what I stated.

    Who said a "health child" is even possible??? You??

    What I stated is that there is FAR MORE to the picture than YOU or government law knows about.
     
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    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    And the 15 year old girl drops out of high school to be 9 month pregnant and put her body through all that pain unwillingly. Great.

    How long would someone else be willing to help? How will mommy be able to look after herself, let alone a kid without a high school diploma?

    Most importantly, why should she give her teenage years entire youth for something she does not want? All she ever did was fall in love. Is that a crime now? If no, why punish her?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You realize in the old days, most children were "unplanned" ?
     
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    That is not even SLIGHTLY related in any way.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wasn't aware anyone can get pregnant from "falling in love".
     
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    Why does she have to drop out of high school just because she is pregnant?

    I had a teacher once who was pregnant - very pregnant.
     
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    Yeah, such lovely times those old times, innit? :laughing:
     
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    Now you know. It happens. :)
     
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    Those children entered into a loving family, or at least that was the theory.

    The only women who needed abortions back then were prostitutes, and those in the entertainment industry.
     
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    Are you going to turn this into a treatise on the advent and development of birth control???

    Are you going to describe that today, there is NO form of birth control that doesn't have a failure rate, with the exception of permanent surgerical disruption?

    How many times does this have to be covered in THIS thread before the answers are remembered?
     
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    I am sure she did not give birth in the classroom and proceeded to talk about pythagoras' theorem after cutting the cord herself.
     
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    She'll only miss 2 weeks. 4 weeks maximum.

    They have special high schools with infant childcare.
    If not that, there's remedial education available at community colleges.
     
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    Did it work in practise? :laughing:

    Wow. This is incredibly telling of what you really think. As I always suspected; you hate sex. Being religious that is no surprise since that is what drives all anti-abortionists -- You hate that people are enjoying sex.
     
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    Right. Turn her into a stock-farm animal. Perfect
     
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    Why does a 16 year old being pregnant have to be so terrible?

    During the time my grandma was growing up, half the girls got married when they were 16.
    (okay, I suppose that would have been 90 years ago, but still...)
     
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    It usually is. It is especially horrendous if she is forced to be.

    Times have changed.
     
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    Apparently.
     
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    A female's body is most ready to be pregnant between the ages of 17 to 28.
    16 is not really any worse than 32 ...
     
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    Here is another popular simsalaboim-science talking point contemporary Conservatives love to play on repeat. Although it is true egg counts get lower in a woman's 30's, it is just another bogus reason given to force people to get married and have babies before they are ready for it.

    I think Ben Shapiro once said that anyone who is not married by 25 is a bad person. :laughing:
     
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    I suspect the reason we disagree may not be an issue about facts, but about values.


    Virtually no conservatives are saying that all sex is bad or that women can only ever have sex in marriages. They are just saying that, following a certain procedure, the risk is very low, reasonable, and manageable. And that abortion is (mostly) not really needed to live this kind of life, according to the procedures. Not saying everyone is perfect and never makes mistakes. But there is a difference between living a sex in the city life and occasionally making a mistake.
     
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    I always try to derive my values from facts and so should everyone else, in my opinion.
     
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    This kind of argument can NOT be accepted.

    You can't claim solutions that absolutely do NOT exist for more than a tiny fraction of rich school districts somewhere.

    ==>You need to propose HONEST alaternatives.

    But, that's not even the point. The point is that GOVERNMENT has no business dictating to women on this issue.



    You COULD pose those suggestions as ways people could reduce the number of abortions WITHOUT having government control women's bodies.

    Remember that I keep pointing out that the number of abortions could be reduced by looking at the reasons that women choose abortions and solving those problems they face.

    So, STOP advocating for government control of women's bodies.

    And, START advocating for solutions that might change women's minds by solving the serious issues they face.
     
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    A lot of them are. If it is not explicit, it is implicit in their rhetoric. Believe it or not, but such opinions are getting increasingly popular among young Conservatives. A lot of weird movements and ideas on the Internet, you know.
     
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    Sorry, I'm having a lot of trouble believing that.
     
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    How about making some attempt, no matter how half-hearted, to keep sex in a comitted relationship that could at least have the possibility of welcoming a baby?

    Either that or turn the other way around for your boyfriend until you meet the one that could make marriage material?
     
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