You are in your home and you hear a ruckus outside. You hear the words "yeah we will hold the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s down and take turns before we kill them". What do you do first? My first move is get the 454 and the 357 and then call the chops while the wife goes to the children's rooms quietly with the 9 and the AK for my daughter. What would you do?
I send my wife to look after the kids and call the cops to provide a description to them by peeking through the curtains, I fetch my K-Bar and wait for them to enter - where they'll be channelized by the hallway and within reach.
Good luck with that. It is a plan and much better than letting them do as they please. What if they have a gun?
Most folks who have a gun expect compliance. Imagine getting a door open and immediately being surprised by someone who is comfortable with a knife and motivated to use it, especially if that person gets the jump on you because they're more familiar with the layout than you are... Of course, I'd be pissed that our gun laws are so slack that these turds were able to get a gun...
That is one reason I keep one (or more) in the home. No the scenario in the OP would never go down that way. I would stop them at the door if I could even if it meant going to jail for things to get sorted.
Agreed, the scenario you presented is highly unlikely. A group of offenders choosing to enter a home knowing that the residents are present... Very rare.
Unless it is a rape gang: http://vladtepesblog.com/?cat=594 Or just a gang rape by a group that is looking to do harm: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8681924 Do realize that these are hate crimes. They are not about stealing and the like the intent is to do harm. My scenario was unrealistic but the conditions were very real and happen all the time. Many times ending with the home owner shooting the invaders but generally the home owner is a victim. How many times have the police stopped this type of thing?
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...1_home-invasions-tacoma-police-crime-stoppers If you get a group that targets you because you fall into a certain demographic they may want you home.
Wow, that's almost as frequent as a mass shootings... Seriously, I looked at a few of those links... In some scenarios, young victims are groomed by the gang for a prolonged period of time... Where are the parents? Are you suggesting the 11 year old should be carrying a gun? In other scenarios, burglars go to ridiculous lengths to ensure nobody is home... In which case a gun doesn't help anyway. I can imaging walking down the street at night and being shot because some woman on the street was nervous and figures I look like a potential rapist... Kinda he said/she said, except I'd be too dead to defend my reputation while you chalk it up as another example of "successful self defense with a firearm".
Give my ol lady the shotgun with the shorter 5 round tube in it (12 gauge) Grab my 1911 and my LFK and aim at the door while waiting in the corner of the wall. Have her call the cops and if they show up in time, Great....not counting on it much though.. Side Question: Do you mind if I put a few SD questions from another forum to see what people say?
Who would care? Just try to find the best section for it. I think Self Defense fits this forum and If you mean this thread it is fine with me.
See there you go again, you are a frightened little guy aren't you? Yeah, all us gun carriers are just a bunch of trigger pullin cowboys running around shootin folks cuz we don't likes the ways theys looks. Were just a bunch of loose cannons aren't we?
This is something that happened to one of the posters neighbors. What would you all do in this situation. This could be considered a "Rare" incident, however with the person (wont say who so I dont spoil the information when you read it) Thought she was a "Homeless" person. This has probably happened more then once at this location. - - - Updated - - - This is something that happened to one of the posters neighbors. What would you all do in this situation. This could be considered a "Rare" incident, however with the person (wont say who so I dont spoil the information when you read it) Thought she was a "Homeless" person. This has probably happened more then once at this location.
I would barricade the door, draw my pistol (or get to my rifle if I had a chance), and wait on the hinge side of the door. I would then call the cops and give them a description of me, who I thought were outside, and wait in ambush. If the door was kicked in or forced in any way, I would waylay 10 rounds through the door while retreating back to a spare magazine and wait for any further egress. If the cops showed up, I would comply with any and all instructions given to me. I if they don't show up in time, well...
What's a 454? The big block Chevy engine? The best home defense weapon is a shot gun. Wide pattern and less velocity.
hehe thinking of the thread on throwing the stove, throwing a 454 BB chevy at someone would hurt. lol They are gonna threaten to take our cars now. lol Nice pistols .454
You're claiming that women should be able to carry guns to protect themselves from rapists... This assumes she is significantly weaker than the rapist and would be unable to fight him off in any other way. (It also assumes the rapist doesn't have a knife to her throat by the time she knows she's in trouble, and that he isn't carrying a gun of his own; but we'll ignore this gaping hole in your logic) If the woman is significantly physically inferior to her attacker, she would have to draw and shoot BEFORE the attacker got their hands on her - before any crime is committed. That's what you are proposing... It's not fear, it's deduction. As for trigger happy loose cannons, I dunno.... ask Treyvon Martin http://abcnews.go.com/US/treyvon-martin-neighborhood-watch-shooting-911-tapes-send/story?id=15937881
We don't need a hypothetical either way here. Most women are not a match for most men. Fact not fiction and assumptions need to go out the window here. You say: "This assumes she is significantly weaker than the rapist and would be unable to fight him off in any other way." Well it is the only assumption as it looks at averages. This makes you counter very week. You say: "If the woman is significantly physically inferior to her attacker, she would have to draw and shoot BEFORE the attacker got their hands on her - before any crime is committed. That's what you are proposing... It's not fear, it's deduction." Well you propose letting the man enter her to find out if he really intends to rape her. You are being a a little silly here. It is easy to make bold claims and what others should do when few people want to rape you. Are you married or do you have a GF/BF? Where do you live? Post a picture. We need to be sure criminals know how you feel so they do not get shot.
Well, there is a chance she might suspect something so she can at least be prepared, and having a chance to defend herself is better than no chance at all. And women would carry a weapon to protect themselves from everything a man would have to protect himself from. The only problem I had with the OP's scenario was the little girl and the AK, lol. That's a little big for a little kid. There are ids around the age of fifteen that can shoot competently, though, so I wouldn't get too riled up about kids shooting either...unless it was in an urban or "town" like area where their parents weren't there to supervise.
I didn't realize you were a fan of basing every situation on what works for the "average"... I guess you're pretty selective about when that applies... As for fighting off a potential rapist, mugger, etc... What's wrong with a taser? Straw man much? Obviously if a man drags a woman to a secluded location and starts tearing at her clothes, there are some pretty obvious deductions that can be made in relation to his intentions... Those same deductions may be a little less obvious or valid if a man hurridly approaches a woman on a dark street, though she may leap to the same conclusions if she's in a nervous state (as the AVERAGE woman alone on a dark street at night is liable to be...).
