What do you do?

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  1. Archer0915

    Archer0915 New Member

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    My daughter is a teen and uses a pump action .270; an AK is a lightweight. For a home it is not too big and with hunting rounds it is not a through the invader and through the wall scenario you can get with FMJ ammo.

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    Tazer is great for the first guy so the next will hit her harder and screw her longer.

    Gangs are not the same as a random crime of opportunity they are planned group crimes that are opportunistic in nature but there is full intent. No straw.
     
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    2ndaMANdment New Member

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    As I said before, I have seen FIRST HAND, a man get hit by 2 shots from a taser and rip them off of himself as if they were nothing. The SR9c in my wifes purse will be a little more absolute. She would ready it if there was a potential threat, and be ready to pull on a moments notice. No it does not 100% mean she will not still become a victim, but then again, that is what you would prefer her to be now isn't it?
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    all the posts you've made are what-if...many have stated their intentions. You feeling sorry for the criminal or something?
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Unless you get a taser that fires multiple shots.... There are several on the market.
    That's assuming of course, that the AVERAGE female is likely to face the prospect of gang rape...

    You summary of my position was that a woman couldn't know she was being raped until she had been raped. Oversimplification/distortion of my position in order to attack the oversimplified version: straw man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    Let's see, you've claimed to be some kind of war hero with all this extensive personal combat training and you expect a woman, untrained in those skills for many years as you have claimed to be of advantage of, and you think she should be able to fight as well as you? Overpower 3 or more assailants? Faster than lightening reflexes? Know mulitple kill strokes? Defend herself from a real beating? Yeah, a real hero.............or the weaker sex is of no concern to you.............dunno, pretty lame excuse for disarming your fellow Citizens............
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Depends, who are the criminals in the scenarios I outlined?

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    I have no idea what you're talking about.

    Having served in the Corps does not equate to a claim of war-hero status.
    Being able to use a taser does not require any more training than being able to use a firearm.
     
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    stjames1_53 Banned

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    You are trained in killing techniques, are you not?
    Trained in combat firearms?
    17 years ya said?
     
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    As far as I know, non-law enforcement cannot buy tazers. Stun guns yes, but not tazers. Tazers are also considered a deadly weapon as far as the continuum of force goes along with a stun gun.

    ETA: the tazers seem to be fairly cheap, but they run into the problem that police sometime have. They are a one shot weapon and if you miss, you are kinda hosed. They also only shoot a few feet compared to a firearm.
     
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    I dont know about anyone else But my girlfriend is about 5'2-5'2 she's a tiny little person. She wants either a .38 special or a 380 with a capacity of 7 rounds (which is fine, I would her rather get a 9 or 40) BUT..She also knows close quarter a knife will work best, last ditch a pen will work and for distance a gun and running will help.

    She is tiny and can fight but will lose to someone my size (I am 5'8 about 190-210 lbs) She kicking someone in the chest, will not hurt as much as I kick someone in the chest.
     
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    The facts are showing that Treyvon was not the victim. My guess is that Zimmerman will not be prosecuted.

    Most women are inferior to most men physically. yes, there are exceptions, but for the most part this is true. Innocent men aren't being shot as rapists all over the country. Legal gun owners for the most part are cautious folks, and don't
    shoot for no good reason.
     
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    I received the same training as every other infantry Marine of my era.
    I said that I've worked in crime prevention for 17 years, not that I served for 17 years.

    Still not sure if you have a point. You keep trying to make the whole issue of gun control about ME, rather than about the control of guns...
     
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    Logician0311 Well-Known Member

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    Really? Could you link to the "facts" about Treyvon Martin?

    As for legal gun owners being responsible and cautious, how does that explain that guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9715182
    How do so many cautious people create so many accidental shootings? http://www.thesurvivorsclub.org/extreme/surviving-accidents/accidental-shooting
    Why do firearms account for such a high ratio of homocides? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States
     
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    But it is RARE and mostly associated with drug dealing

    I also have yet to be convinced that some is not also associated with escalation of weaponry i.e. the crims know that X house has a lot of money and the owners are heavily armed so instead of creeping in through a back window at night they come in through the front doors with guns
     
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    Let me get this straight... People can buy a firearm but NOT a tazer? I believe that would be state law, and why are we not "up in arms" (pun intended) over THAT idiocy in those states? A tazer is certainly less likely to be lethal than a firearm.

    And how many incidents do people encounter that require lethal force while the aggressor is more than 15-20 feet away? Only those that involved firearms...
    FYI, there are tazers on the market NOW that are up to 3-shot units... If more people were investing in that market, you can bet there would be more development of updated models.
     
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    Archer come on, is this real?

    When I have had shots fired around me, I just hit the fraking dirt man, and try to figure out what's going on.

    Why do you live in a neighborhood where this stuff goes down? With a wife and children? Get outa there!!!!!
     
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    What would you do?
     
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    I can say things about what I would do but I don't really know. Call 911 and try to understand the situation for sure. The dogs would be going crazy. My wife would most likely try to run outside and I would have to hit her over the head to stop her. But my neighborhood is full of people who don't put up with BS like this and I think I could count on them to have (as I would) eyes on it.

    Really stuff like this is rare, and its great to think some Rambo like you could run out and solve everything with an AK, but how many people involved in rape and murder decide to do it in highly populated areas? Right next to some ones house?

    I know you have a good heart and I do not oppose your personal right to own whatever gun you want, but this scenario seems like a fantasy
     
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    Run out? No - going out invites more trouble. Not looking for a fight just prepared if there is one.
     
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    I have to fully agree that running out is a bad idea, But them assuming the room you are in is fully secure. People come in through the front door, dont think someone wont come in the back.
     
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    Probably the opposite, take the rifle and leave the handguns. lol
     
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    My scenario - sending the wife the other way - puts defenses at all three entrance points:)
     

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