What do you think about Illegal Immigration?

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  1. protectionist

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    FALSE ! A study a few years ago found that illegals were a small minority in almost every occupation of 450 studied. Apparently Americans consider themselves perfectly OK for those jobs since more of them are doiong them than the illegals.

    Also, some of the toughest, dirtiest, and most dangerous jobs in America are being done almost exclusively by Americans, no illegals in sight (coal miners, firefighters, troops in Afghanistan, Army Corps of Engineers construction).
     
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    Going by the government's figure of 14 million unemployed Americans, and assessing illegal employment at 8 million, getting rid of the illegal invaders would lower the unemployment rate from 9% down to about 4%. Furthermore, establishing a moratorium on work visas (legal immigration of sorts) would lower unemployment by about 1% each year until in 4 years unemployment would be about ZERO, and the employed workers would all be Americans.

    Will this happen. It could, if a grassroots effort like the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street came about against immigration. So far the only large protests I've seen regarding immigration have been the invaders themselves protesting our restrictions of them. Politicians, especially Democrats, need to be notified > you support immigration, you don't get our votes.
     
  3. vladik

    vladik New Member

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    I am against illegal immigration and against all that is illegal.
     
  4. Dan40

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    The illegals are not considered part of the 'official workforce.' Only those with work visas are part of the workforce. Right now we have an official population of about 312 million people, plus 12 to 20 million illegals. The Bureau of Labor Statistics considers the 'official workforce' at about 144 million with about 132 million of them actually having jobs.

    And I'm VERY conservative, but I support immigration. LEGAL IMMIGRATION! Not the open border invasion of the country that is going on now.
     
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    I wasn't focusing on the illegals when I said that unemployment could be reduced from 9% to 4%. I was talking about the 14 million unemployed Americans. Putting 8 million of them back to work in the jobs currently held by 8 millon illegal aliens, reduces the unemployment from 14 million to 6 million, a 57% drop. That 57% drop on the 9% figure lowers it to 5%.

    Now for the legal immigration picture. Last I heard, the government was issuing 150,000 work visas per month. I don't know what their figures are for legal immigration but ANY immigration or ANY work visas is ludicrous when you have 14 million of your people needing a job. There should be NO IMMIGRATION period (except for needed occupations, and entrepreneurs bringing capital to create jobs at good pay FOR AMERICANS).

    Even if we didn't have the severe unemployment that we have, ALL immigration is a bad idea in America because of our horrendous overpopulation. Based on America's resource base, we get an optimum population of about 30 million. That's less than 1/10 of our current population. If intelligent geographers were running the government instead of business people hungry for a growing Sales$$$$$$ market, all immigration would have (should have) been discontinued in 1860.

    A good example of a country who did it right is Canada. With a size and resource base similar to the USA, and a point immigration system (rather than the idiotic chain migration we have), they have limited their population to a cool 30 million. So guess what. They don't have the many overpopulation problems we have. One example is OIL. While we IMport 2/3 of our oil and struggle with a massive deficit, Canada EXports her oil and makes a lot of money for her treasury in the process. And guess who our # 1 supplier of oil is > Canada.
     
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    I think it's fun stuff.
     
  7. protectionist

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    Actually it does not give them the power to "determine the immigration status of people stopped, detained, or arrested, for another offense is there is a "reasonable suspicion" that they are in the U.S. Illegally". They already have that power. It just adds it in as a requirement, which previously it was optional.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that the only way to INCREASE LEGAL immigration.....
    that is planned according to the type of workers that the USA desperately needs.....

    is to DECREASE, or better yet, nearly stop ILLEGAL immigration.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/449323-donald-trump-campaign-film-cartel-land.html

    The Donald Trump campaign and the film "Cartel Land."


     
  9. vladik

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    I would curb not only illegal immigration but also legal one. Decent people should stay in their own countries and try to improve their political and economic life by all legal means. If they are not doing it in their own countries they are not likely to be useful citizens in any other country.
     

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