what gun control do you support?

How dare I??? Simple. My father went through the Detroit School of Mechanics in 1942 and I was taught by him. When I started driving they were still using generators on cars and then switched to alternators. No prob, 6 diodes and a set of brushes and you had it rebuilt. Now they use computers for most every thing on motors, from spark to fuel. Do I go in and tell the mechanic how to fix the cars of today??? NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Because I don't know diddly about computers. Oh, the basics are still the same, you still have rods and pistons, lifters and push rods (on some) but the rest if beyond me and probably you too. So, until you learn a little about weapons, YES, sit down and shut up because you make yourself look stupid.

When it comes to weapons the issue IS what you know about them. Ignore away, I could care less about your opinion because it is silly. What will STOP the shootings of the innocent is good people packing weapons and killing the purps when they first pull a gun.

 

Johnny, me lad, what would happen in the long run if every time one of these gang bangers or nutcases pulled a gun they got shot by an honest citizen that had a CWP??? MORE GUNS is the ANSWER!!!

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""""I am not sure if you are naive or just stupid"" Yes you are.

 

IMHO, i dont think we need more gun control, if anything we need less.what we have isnt even being enforced so why make it difficultfor law abiding citizens.you cant live your life scared of what may happen. All these shootings are happening in "gun free zones" so why not get rid of the gun free zones, obviously they do not work.

What i would like to see is more people open carrying what they have. People have the crazy notion,due to bad media, that the gun is what is dangerous and not the person holding it. If more people started open carrying, im sure this fear would disappear. So lets all stand up for our rights and start carrying everywhere we can. Carry your ar15 as well as your pistol, carry your shot gun. Show the world that a gun shouldnt be terrifying to see.

 

here's another one for you.............\
[video=youtube;vqOTOLlMTQ4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqOTOLlMTQ4&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

How droll. btw, that youtube link went right straight to the DHS new targets.
That is not your opinion. It has been given by you by your self-serving masters. No one is dictating to you, but you are working criminally to remove 100% of the American BoR. Who is forcing their will upon you? How are they forcing their will upon you?
I want to see that alledge poll where it shows 90% of anyone can agree with Blurbird. Hey, slick, you do realize that by taking our guns, it would not stop murders, roberies, rapes, and political corruption. Of course you do, you just need to sound like you know everything about guns while not getting a clue. I seriously doubt that you have read the Constitution, just like your link to some obscure alledged event via youtube link, your overview of events is slightly skewed. That means your link failed it went right straight to teh Homeland targets of civilians used for training cops to shoot people and you know nothing about the Constitution.

 

I did "NOT" post the u-tube link!!!! I posted the Huffington Post link.If you insist on slamming me,at least look at the" poster" before you go leaping to conclusions.
You can seriously doubt & assume anything you want,but that doesn't make it so. Your ever increasing condescending attitude & rudeness just makes us want to fight even harder to get the guns out of killers hands,so you just go right ahead & keep it up-it is a great motivator as to why we have to do something.
Vote comes to the Senate Floor "today" on gun control--YEAH---

 

if they get the guns, I can't wait 'til they get your free speech, take away your 4th A and kick your door in, drag your entire family out in the middle of your dinky yard while they check your house for guns, just in case. Hold a gun to your head while demand that you tell them where your guns are.
I can see it now..." Please, I don't have any firearms, you should know that I am a good party member?"
"WHERE ARE THE GUNS???"
"WHERE ARE THE GUNS!!!!!!"
Cop hits you and your wife...WHER ARE THE M***** F****ING GUNS????"
"Please, sire I beg of you, I don't have any guns, I have never had any guns."
"YOU'RE NOT BEING VERY COOPERATIVE!!!! NOW WHERE ARE THE GUNS???!!!!"
"Sire, I beseech thee, there are no guns here."
"WE'RE HUNGRY, SO WE'RE GOING TO HELP OURSELVES TO YOURS!!!!"
"Sargeant, arrest these people and call child protective services, they are under arrest for resisting Law Enforcement"
now try to stop them..............
Paaaaaaaaaaaaah give the name of the next killer

 

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/nation...203365291.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_MIBrand

Sen. Manchin: Background Checks Won't Pass Today's Vote

Potential GOP supporters out front on immigration won't risk second battle with conservative base on guns, Manchin tells NBC News..
The bipartisan effort to expand background checks will not have the votes to advance in the Senate today, according to one of the architects of the deal.

"We will not get the votes today," Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., told NBC News.

Potential supporters, Republican Sens. Jeff Flake, of Arizona, and Florida’s Marco Rubio, could not risk a stand on background checks in the face of opposition from their conservative base because they are already leading



here, bub, choke on this...........have a little alka seltzer with your humble pie?

 

Stop fantasizing.

 

Indianna is one of the only states I "never" cared to visit. Now,for sure I know why & why I never will!
You don't find it just a little hypocritical that you are so "anti-government" "EXCEPT" for the parts that you are using to support your argument?
So,I provided the proof & instead of apologizing & admitting you were wrong-you go on a rant about a made up scenario. STELLAR.
I am for sure printing out this rant as further motivation for background checks.

 

We fought to get a vote,that "you all" said we would not get,well we get the vote-whether it passes now or we get it passed further on down the road.
However,more & more states are passing tougher gun control laws,so,eventually,the states Representatives will stop worrying about their next election & themselves & start seeing what gun violence is doing to our country.
But,and this is just a but,vote hasn't been taken yet & I am not one to "assume" if this bill doesn't pass,does not mean we are going to "set down & shut up"... just saying.

 

oh,so you ARE a snitch, afterall.........................too bad your gun bill failed. Who ya gonna report it too, the Progressive Lib Movement?
you not welcomed here anyway, bub...............
What you don't get is they cannot change the 1st through 10th Amendment, our Bill of Rights. The states will be challenged and lose and the balance of power will reside in the Citizens again, not the anti-gun nutters

 

What are you talking about? A snitch? The bill hasn't been voted on yet
And there you go again,going off with that dictatorship attitude.If you don't care to have your hypocrisy called out,put me on your ignore list-just saying....
Who is BUB?
Seriously, can anyone say de-caf........

 

too bad for you.... http://www.politicalforum.com/gun-c...und-check-compromise-falls-6-votes-short.html
it only takes one to win, the rest is practice
goodbye.........

 

No,too bad for America on this vote,but when you have 90% support,we are not setting down.
Oh,the look on the faces of the Newtown families at the press conference was just heartbreaking-
I guess I should have known you would be the first to crow-but it will be the last I see your hate spewn out on the pages-you have nothing but my sympathy.

 

show me the source of your so called 90% If you got that from a standard media source, you're being lied to, again
What is it you think I hate?
and bucko, I don't need your sympathy. Now go stand in your liberal cheese line and get your daily dose of lib mantra.
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Gallup: Only 4% of Americans Think Gun Control is an Important Problem

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-only-4-americans-think-gun-control-important-problem

 

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x226/molz_album/gun-control-cartoon-club-knife.jpg

Says it all!.

 

No it isn't the Militia is the citizens who can lawfully have a firearm as determined by the states and Federal government and who are under the law part of the Militia, and they cannot deny ownership of all guns. But that didn't say they can't restrict the KIND OF guns your allowed and ammunition for example they can say you can't own a 50mm machine gun or a fully automatic weapon. I'm just saying go to one basic gun it would them be lawful you have the gun, it can be used for hunting and home defense, your able to be in a Militia since you could kill the enemy soldier and its not infringing on your right to be armed. They could restrict handguns the same way you can have one but it must manual load and hold no more than two rounds at a time a double barrel pistol.

It all depends how you view it I view it as language allowing and obligating the people having a access to guns but its restricted by the local, state and Federal government as to what kinds of weapons and ammunition you may have.

 

Think not??? Argue with these statistics;

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/gun-control-myths-realities

1. Thousands of children die annually in gun accidents.

False. Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows, although you wouldn’t know it from listening to the mainstream media. In 1997, the last year for which data are available, only 142 children under 15 years of age died in gun accidents, and the total number of gun-related deaths for this age group was 642. More children die each year in accidents involving bikes, space heaters or drownings. The often repeated claim that 12 children per day die from gun violence includes “children” up to 20 years of age, the great majority of whom are young adult males who die in gang-related violence.


2. Gun shows are responsible for a large number of firearms falling into the hands of criminals.

False. Contrary to President Clinton’s claims, there is no “gun show loophole.” All commercial arms dealers at gun shows must run background checks, and the only people exempt from them are the small number of non-commercial sellers. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, at most 2 percent of guns used by criminals are purchased at gun shows, and most of those were purchased legally by people who passed background checks.

3. The tragedy at Columbine High School a year ago illustrates the deficiencies of current gun control laws.

False. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold violated close to 20 firearms laws in amassing their cache of weapons (not to mention the law against murder), so it seems rather dubious to argue that additional laws might have prevented this tragedy. The two shotguns and rifle used by Harris and Klebold were purchased by a girlfriend who would have passed a background check, and the TEC-9 handgun used by them was already illegal.

4. States that allow registered citizens to carry concealed weapons have lower crime rates than those that don’t.

True. The 31 states that have “shall issue” laws allowing private citizens to carry concealed weapons have, on average, a 24 percent lower violent crime rate, a 19 percent lower murder rate and a 39 percent lower robbery rate than states that forbid concealed weapons. In fact, the nine states with the lowest violent crime rates are all right-to-carry states. Remarkably, guns are used for self-defense more than 2 million times a year, three to five times the estimated number of violent crimes committed with guns.

5. Waiting periods lower crime rates.

False. Numerous studies have been conducted on the effects of waiting periods, both before and after the federal Brady bill was passed in 1993. Those studies consistently show that there is no correlation between waiting periods and murder or robbery rates. Florida State University professor Gary Kleck analyzed data from every U.S. city with a population over 100,000 and found that waiting periods had no statistically significant effect. Even University of Maryland anti-gun researcher David McDowell found that “waiting periods have no influence on either gun homicides or gun suicides.”

6. Lower murder rates in foreign countries prove that gun control works.

False. This is one of the favorite arguments of gun control proponents, and yet the facts show that there is simply no correlation between gun control laws and murder or suicide rates across a wide spectrum of nations and cultures. In Israel and Switzerland, for example, a license to possess guns is available on demand to every law-abiding adult, and guns are easily obtainable in both nations. Both countries also allow widespread carrying of concealed firearms, and yet, admits Dr. Arthur Kellerman, one of the foremost medical advocates of gun control, Switzerland and Israel “have rates of homicide that are low despite rates of home firearm ownership that are at least as high as those in the United States.” A comparison of crime rates within Europe reveals no correlation between access to guns and crime.


http://www.wral.com/news/state/nccapitol/story/11204311/

"Since 1995 when Conceal Carry passed in this state, violent crime has gone down almost 30 percent," Hilton said.

Is that in fact the case?

At first blush, the numbers seem to be on Hilton's side. According to statistics kept by the N.C. Attorney General's Office the raw number of violent crimes – murders, rapes, robberies and aggravated assaults – has dropped. In 1995, there were 45,016 such crimes throughout the state. In 2010, the last year for which state level data is available, there were 34,033 such crimes.

When those numbers are converted into rates that take into account population growth, the violent crime rate dropped from 649 per 100,000 people in 1995 to 374.4 per 100,000 people in 2010. That's a drop of 24.4 percent in terms of the raw number of crimes or a drop of 42.3 percent drop in the violent crime rate.

That, Hilton said, argues for fewer "gun-free zones" like restaurants that serve alcohol.

"We think that where these gun-free zones are, criminals think they have a better chance of committing their crime."

 

Let's take your first statement, """No it isn't, the Militia is the citizens who can lawfully have a firearm..""" Supreme Court, ""District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (200, was a landmark case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home and within federal enclaves.

Next, I'm going to challenge your knowledge of weapons, you said,; """But that didn't say they can't restrict the KIND OF guns your allowed and ammunition for example they can say you can't own a 50mm machine gun or a fully automatic weapon"".

What kind of weapon is a 50 MM machine gun??? If you look on this sight what 40 MM guns look like so please tell me where a person would ever buy such a thing as a 50 MM. http://www.google.com/images?q=40+M..._group&ei=osNxUeauHqG2iwKjrIGoAQ&ved=0CCAQsAQ

Now, if you had of said a 50 Cal. machine gun we could talk about that. Here are some pictures of a 50 Cal. we can all buy if we have a clean record' ..http://www.google.com/images?q=50+c..._group&ei=WL9xUab6GciXigK954CwCg&ved=0CCMQsAQ

And here's where you can buy one; http://www.gunbroker.com/Barrett-50/Browse.aspx?Keywords=Barrett+50

Then you go on to prove you are not even a hunter when you said; """ I'm just saying go to one basic gun it would them be lawful you have the gun, it can be used for hunting and home defense, your able to be in a Militia since you could kill the enemy soldier and its not infringing on your right to be armed""". What gun would you recommend for brush hunting??? How about short range (up to 150 yards), mid range (150 to 400 yards), long range (up to 800 yards)??? Personally I don't think you have any idea what your talking about.

And your ideas about a pistol??? """They could restrict handguns the same way you can have one but it must manual load and hold no more than two rounds at a time a double barrel pistol"".

WHAT A JOKE!!! Tko, in this state we are allowed to hunt deer with a .357 Mag. and bigger. Elk and bear with a .41 Mag and bigger. Did you ever look at the .500 Mag. S&W??? This is why i say that those that know nothing about a subject should either study it or keep quite, they make themselves look foolish. The major mistakes you made were thinking that the Melita were the only ones that had a right to keep guns. That there was a such a thing as a 50MM machine gun and on top of every thing else saying that one rifle would fit all conditions.

 

Shall not be infringed.

Infringe, to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another.

What some are saying is that it is OK for them to decide what I can or cannot use to defend myself, a law abiding citizen, or my family because of their feelings and nothing based on fact, which is pretty much the whole debate right now about guns.

 

It would be no fantasy if the majority of the good citizens were licensed to carry and did carry.

 

I never said take away guns the government I agree cannot ban all guns and pistols, what they can do is decide what is a weapon your able to lawfully have and under what licenses and measures they decide. But the Amendment is clear in its language its armaments for a militia and that the right to be armed is enshrined into the US Constitution not what weapons or what other purposes. Hunting and sport use has a long history in our nation so it can be implied with home defense as extensions and the Courts upheld these.

As for my limits I noted using some arguments there is no right to limit guns would that mean you should have a 50mm machine gun or sniper rifle? I view the right limited in this case weapons to meet the needs of militia duty at a minimal level and useful for self-defense and hunting. I didn't say ideal hunting. A classic weapon I could see would be similar to a 19th century Winchester repeater rifle manual load. It was used for home defense, hunting and war and since its manually loaded is a good concept gun maybe with an eight round chamber and scope. A pistol you could have a two round chamber magnum under my position.

But basic concept of my position if Chinese troops land on our soil could you kill one with your weapon then take their better gun and ammunition a Winchester eight shooter with scope would do the job IMHO. And likely if you ask the armed forces for a machine gun in that case you could likely get one and I would have no issues with that if its under government issue during an invasion.

The recent Boston Terror attacks though was dealt with by law enforcement and very well that is who we have for security and our armed forces for defense, so the need for a militia is just not there its dated but out of respects for the 2nd Amendment a limited selection of guns would be fine.

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I never said take away guns the government I agree cannot ban all guns and pistols, what they can do is decide what is a weapon your able to lawfully have and under what licenses and measures they decide. But the Amendment is clear in its language its armaments for a militia and that the right to be armed is enshrined into the US Constitution not what weapons or what other purposes. Hunting and sport use has a long history in our nation so it can be implied with home defense as extensions and the Courts upheld these.

As for my limits I noted using some arguments there is no right to limit guns would that mean you should have a 50mm machine gun or sniper rifle? I view the right limited in this case weapons to meet the needs of militia duty at a minimal level and useful for self-defense and hunting. I didn't say ideal hunting. A classic weapon I could see would be similar to a 19th century Winchester repeater rifle manual load. It was used for home defense, hunting and war and since its manually loaded is a good concept gun maybe with an eight round chamber and scope. A pistol you could have a two round chamber magnum under my position.

But basic concept of my position if Chinese troops land on our soil could you kill one with your weapon then take their better gun and ammunition a Winchester eight shooter with scope would do the job IMHO. And likely if you ask the armed forces for a machine gun in that case you could likely get one and I would have no issues with that if its under government issue during an invasion.

The recent Boston Terror attacks though was dealt with by law enforcement and very well that is who we have for security and our armed forces for defense, so the need for a militia is just not there its dated but out of respects for the 2nd Amendment a limited selection of guns would be fine.

 

It's insanity, in my view; and I'll always vote to help see that does not happen.