Oh I know... there are mastodon fossils in Arabia as well... but in the hill country there are ancient Arab villages laid out in a circle to bring the livestock into the center at night.
Yep. There's a map of the Holy Lands in the back of my ancient edition clearly labelled 'Palestine in the time of Our Lord'.
are you trying to say Antebi couldn't have said anything 2 yrs before 1901-1913 ? I'm no student of the Quran but I know first of all it was written by scribes as Muhamed recited . Written in classical 7th C Arabic. What we have today are often different interpretations in translations , not always accurate. However, for now I'll go along with what is available via Google . As Single Chapters are often distorted /taken out of context. I prefer it to be from a Muslim and not from a Jew --- . Yusuf Alis translation in this post: ( Imam Tabari explains what land there is in question here: {Dwell securely in the land}, that is the land of Sham (Greater Syria). So there remains no question which land it was that Allah suggested the Children of Israel to dwell in. contained modern Israel/Palestine. First of all, lets analyse what is actually being said. Dwell securely in the land. In Arabic, the phrase is Uskunu al-Ardh. Uskunu means Inhabit and Ardh means earth. Uskunu derives from the root S-K-N, meaning inhabit, dwell. An example: When asked where i live (Inta sâken feen?), i reply Sâken fe Denmark (I live in Denmark). What was granted to the Children of Israel was thus to inhabit the land. Should we assume that it meant owning the land, then the following problem arise: 1. The Children of Israel do NOT mean the Jews. It means the children of Yaqoob (pbuh), son of Ishaaq (as), son of Ibrahim (as). It is important to understand that Yaqob (as), being an Islamic prophet, according to Islam was a muslim not a jew and not a christian. According to Islam, he followed the creed of his noble grandfather, Ibrahim (as): Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was true in Faith, and bowed his will to Allahs (Which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah. (Quran, 3.67)The very father of the Children of Israel was a muslim according to Islam! The man who led the Children of Israel into the land mentioned was Musa (peace be upon him), a muslim as well according to Islam. Great kings of the nation they created, Sulaiman and Dawood (peace be upon them) were MUSLIMS according to Islam! So if we, as muslims, should from this verse decide who the land belongs to, it should be the muslims, NOT the jews who, according to Islam, altered the religion of their patriarchs. ==== ----- Allah in the Noble Quran gave the People of Israel two opportunities to elate with might on earth before the Noble Quran was revealed. After the second time came, He the Almighty, sent to them enemies that poured destruction upon them: If ye did well, ye did well for yourselves; if ye did evil, (ye did it) against yourselves. So when the second of the warnings came to pass, (We permitted your enemies) to disfigure your faces, and to enter your Temple as they had entered it before, and to visit with destruction all that fell into their power. (The Noble Quran, 17:7) The second doom was due to the rejection of the Message of Jesus. To disfigure your faces means to destroy any credit or power you may have got: the face shows the personality of the man. Tituss destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.C. was complete. He was a son of the Roman Emperor Vespasian, and at the date of the destruction of Jerusalem, had the title of Caesar as heir to the throne. He ruled as Roman Emperor from 79 to 81 A.C. end quote. [/QUOTE] From what I've read (FROM NON-ZIONISTS ) leads me to conclude that those people who today call themselves "Jews" are not the Children of Israel. nor Judaens / not Israelites wotever , May I now refer to Jesus who said in : :Revelation 2:9New King James Version (NKJV) 9 I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. tata ... ...
Why not ? === Studuju ? well if you insist getting information from a daft site called "studuju" that's up to + reflects on you . look what google say about Britanium or Britnium as you first said :https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_en-GBGB503GB504&q=Britanium. A white alloy of tin with copper, antimony, and sometimes bismuth and zinc that resembles pewter and is used in utensils and tableware. https://www.google.co.uk/search?sou...GB503GB504&q=Britanium.#q=Britannium.&spell=1 Go learn - try using a spell checker before posting .
King James I transleted the Old Tastement between nthe years 1604-1611. The word "Palestine" was first used by Hadrian to vanish the name Judea from the earth. It is that simple. According to Wiki (your source), Khirbet Qeiyafa was first surveyed in 1860 by Victor Guerin, BUT the site was first excavated in 2007 by Prof. Garfinkel! The name "surveyed" is not "excavated". The word "surveyed" is when Victor Guerin walked in Khirbet Qeiyafa and searched for archeaological evidences. The name "excavated" is when a man dig in the ground in Archeaology. Prof. Garfinkel excavated Khirbet Qaiyafa and found an ancient city that populated up too 500-600 people. Prof. Garfinkel found several olives pits and decided to sent it to Oxford University to dated it by carbon-14, the most accurate mathod nowadays, and the time that the olive pits got dated were in late 11th century until the begining of the 10th century BC. In the bible the kingdom of Israel was described to be existed in the exact time which the olive pits got dated. According to you Antebi was the JCA representative in Jerusalem in 1899, which is not correct!! Antebi was the JCA representative of Jerusalem between the years 1901-1913, which means that what you wrote that he said as the JCA representative in 1899 is not correct. First of all, Muhammad dictated the Quran to his followers. which wrote the Quran. Secondly, The things I qouted you from the Quran was been taken from the Quran that placed in my home, translated into English and Hebrew. Each qouting I gave you is from that book exactly! I qouted while the Quran was in front of me. Ya'cob wasnt a Muslim!! because of the simple fact that Islam was created in 622 AD, and Ya'cob was a biblical person which lived in the 18th century BC. Furthermore, before Islam it was the period of the "Jahliyya". The name "Jahliyya" mentioned in the Quran 9 times and it's meaning is "uncivilized" or "barbarian". The name "Jahliyya" was taken from the trem "Jahil", which the meaning is "The one who doesnt know Allah (=god), the prophet and the laws" The community in the period of the Jahliyya was located in the Arabian Paninsula. That community was tribical which wasnt under any nation. The leader of those tribes was "Sid". The tribes worshiped trees and springs, ghosts, pagan sacred stones, Faith Healers and fortune-tellers and sacrifices of animals, food and valuables. To each tribe was their unique gods, Allah was one of the many gods those tribes had, and Allah was located in the Black stone in Mecca. Allah attributed to the three goddesses: Allt- The god of the sun, Allaza and Almanat. Those three goddesses were mentioend in the Quran: Surah 53. paragraphs 19-20: "Heed the Allt and Alaza, and Mana, the third goddess. Are you a male or female?" So according to history Yacob wasnt Muslim because of the simpel fact that Islam was created long after Yacob. Abraham indeed wasnt a Jew nor a Christian, and of course wasnt Muslim. Abraham lived in the 18th century BC, while Islam was created in 622 AD. The word "Allah" is not Islam! Allah is the Arabic word for "God" Musa is the Arabic word for Moses, and please re-read what I wrote to you about the Islam earlier, because Moses wasnt a Muslim. Islam was created in 622 AD, long after the existance of Moses. There was no "created of nation" or a "Muslim nation" because of that in the period of pre-Islam the tribes that lived wasnt in any way under any nation, furthermore, in ancient times there was no Islam!! Sulaiman and Dawood are the Arabic names of David and Solomon, the once who founded the kingdom of Israel and Judea. You should learn again your own language, because it seems that you have lack of knowladge of Arabic. In the Quran was written that Muhammad said that the Land of Israel is belong to the Jews, here it is once again: in Surah 5, paragraph 20-21 was written: Moses told to his people, my people, remember the grace god turned to you, by his founded prophets, and by created you kings, and by what he builded for you which he didnt builded for anyone else. My people come to holly land that god gave to you and never back down. In Surah 7 paragraph 136-137 was written: And then we took our vengeance upon them, because they denied our signs. we endowed our people that been persecuted from east to west on the land that god blessed. and was been taken place by his good about the sovereignty of the Israelites.... (this is refer when the israelites fleed from Egypt). There is a lot nore references about Israel belong to the Jews in The Quran: in Surah 17 paragraph 103-104. Which means that even your religion's prophet said that the Land of Israel is belong to the Jews, in was written in the Quran, the holly book in Islam, so it seems that you are violating your prophet and your religion- SHAME ON YOU!! In the Quran was written that Muhammad call to kill all of the Jews as "Jihad" because that the Jews didnt want to convert to Islam. Muhammad brought upon the Jews the "Skull Taxs", which was upon all of those who werent Muslims! it was an effort to forcely convert them to Islam. Once Muhammad didnt succeed to do so he call to kill all of the Jews. In Surah 7 paragraph 136-137 was written: And then we took our vengeance upon them, because they denied our signs. we endowed our people that been persecuted from east to west on the land that god blessed. and was been taken place by his good about the sovereignty of the Israelites.... (this is refer when the israelites fleed from Egypt). Muhammad punished the Jews for rejecting the massage of Jesus? So what does this make him? the prophet of Christianity or the Prophet of Islam? The new Tastement doesnt refer to the Old Tastement. The New Tastement is talking about that Christians are the successors of the Jews pretty much. I have in my house the New Testament BTW. I Learned dont worry about me! and sorry that English is not my native language! maybe next time we should write in Hebrew, it seems you know Hebrew- I think you would mistakes in any language that isnt your native one! Childish claim!! Source: http://www.holytrinityorthodox.com/calendar/los/March/16-07.htm
Sorry - your holytrinity source is no better than your previous daft/weird Studuju source. Tata... ....
Well Britanium is Britannia, so I really dont know how could I be wrong, as you could not be wrong with that subject. Peleshet is indeed appears in the bible alot of times, but dont let it fool you!! "Peleshet" is the area of Gaza and that area only!! which means if "Palestine" is "Peleshet" so the Arabs want a state in Gaza and Gaza only, and well they already have independet Arabic rule in Gaza, so Abu-Mazen need to work to establish a state in Gaza- thing that he oviouslly doesnt do and dont want to do accoridng to his speech in the UN last week!! and if you say that "Palestine" is "Peleshet" so you need to be against the existance of Arabs in the West Bank simply because they belong to Gaza only. And that if you believe that "Palestine" is "Peleshet", of course. Furthermore, you need to be against the will of the Arabs in Gaza to gain control over territories in Israel when their propaganda videos say that the Israeli citizens in Be'er Sheva are settlers and that not much time would pass until they (= the Arabs) will take control over it. BUT oviously you are not against all that, and that means that you are debunking your own claim. BTW- let us not forget that the philistines were a group of people that came to Gaza from Egypt, and their origins from Greece and Cyprus, so here one more reason why your claim that "Palestine is Peleshet" is wrong and history debunked it! Paadentic? I just corrected you about the years, because you oviouslly got confused when you said that Antebi was the JCA represantative in Jerusalem in 1889, while in fact he was in that position in 1901- so basicely you said something that is historicly wrong. If you say something about someone from the past you need to say it correctly. I took those qoutings from the Quran itself. I have the Quran in my house, 2 of them actually, one was translated into Hebrew and one was translated into English. If you want a proof I can provide you one. Just ask. Well you are slightly wrong! in the Quran itself was written that everyone that is a Muslim MUST BELIEVE IN GOD AND HIS PROPHET (=Muhammad). So if we take what the Quran say, it means that Yacob wasnt a Muslim because of the little fact that Muhammad lived between the years 580/2-632 A.D. while Yacob existed in the 18th century BC. Which means that not Yacob nor Abraham or Moses were Muslims. So you are saying that the Quran had been proved as nonesense? interesting. Once again: As you can see, Muhammad refered to the Muslims that they (="we") have to took their vengeance upon them (= the Jews). Muhammad made it as a "Jihad"- a religious war, when he mentioned god. Well thats what I'm doing when I'm writing, when I think my grammer is crap I look for places that could help me with it. I do it not only here but when I write English in general. I'm working on my English as good as I can. I already wrote it to you. Prof. Garfinkel found several olive pits, so he took them to England, to the one of the most considered Universities- Oxford University, to mae the dating of those pits by the most accurate mathod there is nowadays, by Carbon-14. And Prof. Garfinkel discovered that all of the olive pits were dated to the Late 11th century BC until the begoning of the 10th century BC. The exact time which the Kingdom of Isreal was existed, and of course one part of this kingdom was existed near Jerusalem, which the site in Khirbet Qeiyafa was discovered.
Well I know that as Prof, Garfinkel knows it! and he knows it because of the fact that in Khirbet Qeiyafa was never existed (in the excavetions) another building or stracture from different or that doesnt belong to the rest of the site. Furthermore, in the site was never found bones of pigs, that indicate that the people that live there eat "Kosher" food. Was found also a clay, with a Hebrew script on five lines with words that are unique to Hebrew only!! The pits that were discovered in the site been dated between 1020 BC-980 BC, The kingdom of Israel was existed between the years 1020 BC to 930 BC. As you can see the overlapping years betweeb Khirbet Qeiyafa and the kingdom of Israel.
Well, I'll give you that much... Lots of pig bones were found at Masada so that would be an indicator..
OMG - Its true what they say about a little knowledge - If you take single paragraphs - you'll never understand anything if you fail to read a few more paragraphs : See if you can work out + understand who is the WE and who is the THEM ? The WE is not the Muslims and "Them " is not the " Children of Israel"> start with Para 133 :So We sent upon them the flood and locusts and lice and frogs and blood as distinct signs, but they were arrogant and were a criminal people. Para 134 :And when the punishment descended upon them, they said, "O Moses, invoke for us your Lord by what He has promised you. If you [can] remove the punishment from us, we will surely believe you, and we will send with you the Children of Israel." Para 134 ." But when We removed the punishment from them until a term which they were to reach, then at once they broke their word Para 135 - But when We removed the punishment from them until a term which they were to reach, then at once they broke their word. Para 136 - So We took retribution from them, and We drowned them in the sea because they denied Our signs and were heedless of them. Para 137 - And We caused the people who had been oppressed to inherit the eastern regions of the land and the western ones, which We had blessed. And the good word of your Lord was fulfilled for the Children of Israel because of what they had patiently endured. And We destroyed [all] that Pharaoh and his people were producing and what they had been building. Para 138 - And We took the Children of Israel across the sea; then they came upon a people intent in devotion to [some] idols of theirs. They said, "O Moses, make for us a god just as they have gods." He said, "Indeed, you are a people behaving ignorantly And [recall, O Children of Israel], when We saved you from the people of Pharaoh, [who were] afflicting you with the worst torment - killing your sons and keeping your women alive. And in that was a great trial from your Lord. Para 142 - And We made an appointment with Moses for thirty nights and perfected them by [the addition of] ten; so the term of his Lord was completed as forty nights. And Moses said to his brother Aaron, "Take my place among my people, do right [by them], and do not follow the way of the corrupters." ==== Here - the link http://quran.com/7 If you still persist /insist on repeating crap distortions then I'd strongly recommend you read this book : its a free download : http://wywixesi.blog.free.fr/index....iot-s-Guide-to-the-Koran-e-book-free-download The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Koran tata.... :
In Masada there is an archeaological site that dated to the kingdom of Judea, which was existed in that area. In that site were find same Hebrew script with Hebrew words!! in that script was written Hebrew names. Archeaologists were found there also synagogues. The site in Masada was populated by 1,000 people- Jewish people. The pig bones you mentioned is refering to the destruction of the kingdom of Judea by the Romans, and after they destructed the kingdom they go up on Masada and ate pigs, and thats why in Masada were found pig bones. What I said dont deny what I said before. The name "Britanium" was mentioned by the Romans, or if you want me to be more precise so it was used by Julius Caeser. Like the name of London those days was Londinium. The ending of word with "ium" is the ending in the Latin language! Once again: "Peleshet" is the area of Gaza and that area only!! which means if "Palestine" is "Peleshet" so the Arabs want a state in Gaza and Gaza only, and well they already have independet Arabic rule in Gaza, so Abu-Mazen need to work to establish a state in Gaza- thing that he oviouslly doesnt do and dont want to do accoridng to his speech in the UN last week!! and if you say that "Palestine" is "Peleshet" so you need to be against the existance of Arabs in the West Bank simply because they belong to Gaza only. And that if you believe that "Palestine" is "Peleshet", of course. Furthermore, you need to be against the will of the Arabs in Gaza to gain control over territories in Israel when their propaganda videos say that the Israeli citizens in Be'er Sheva are settlers and that not much time would pass until they (= the Arabs) will take control over it. BUT oviously you are not against all that, and that means that you are debunking your own claim. BTW- let us not forget that the philistines were a group of people that came to Gaza from Egypt, and their origins from Greece and Cyprus, so here one more reason why your claim that "Palestine is Peleshet" is wrong and history debunked it! Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali, Ph.D. & Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan Once again: Islam and the Muslims, the ones who believe in the Islam, were created in 622 A.D. . When Yacob and Abraham were alive it was in the 18th century BC, which means that they werent a Muslims!! you cant change history!! In Surah 9, paragraph 29: As you can see Muhammad mentioned in the Quran that the Jews (and Christians) must have to be perscuted by Muslims until they will pay the Jizyah (= Skull taxs). The words "the people of the scripture" is refering to the Jews (and Christians), it like you will say "the people of the book". And let us see it with a wider look: Source: http://www.noblequran.com/translation/surah9.html I dont need the book you suggested because I have the actuall book of the Islam, something that you said you dont "a student" of it . And yet you are insisting to disscus on a book you are not "a student" of it- go figure.
1. Peleshet means rolling as in the rolling hill country. 2. Palestinian farmers are falaheen 3. All who submit to the will of the God of Abraham are "Muslim".. including the people of the Book who received earlier revelations. Don't you remember the big stink about Masada when Yigal Yadim (sp) fudged the evidence and they buried the bones of Romans as Jewish relics?
1. Peleshet is the place of the Philistines (not "Palestinians"), the Philistines origins are from the area of Greece and Cyprus. The ones who came to Gaza area came from Egypt. SO if you are saying that "Palestine is "Peleshet" like Marlowe so the Arabs need to live in Gaza and to rule over themselves there- something that already is happening!! 2. So Arab farmers are falaheen, and...? I mean falaheen was the nickname of the Jewish farmers later on. 3. Abraham wasnt part of any religion!! which means that "all who submit to the will of the god of Abraham are Muslims" is not true!! Islam was created in 622 in the period of Muhammd, long after Abraham. What you are saying is historiclly wrong. 1. So you are saying that Yadin buried the bones that was detected as Jewish ones are in fact bones of Romans? and how can you do that? as far as I know you can detect it! 2. So you say that the Synagogues are fake? and the Hebrew script that was found is a fake? You know that synagogues have unique structure characteristics? right? You know that a Hebrew language that was witten on clay it cant be fake? right? BTW- can you mention the man/woman's name that published it? because I search for it and cant find anything.
The Masada was built by Herod as a resort getaway... The renegade Jews who were raiding in the countryside were finally penned up in Masada... The Romans mostly contained them.. There is NO evidence of any mass suicide... just pig bones and 15 partial skeletons. Read the Masada Myth... His students proved the fraud with documents from the site of the excavation.
In Massada my dear, (I urge you to read the history) the Roman Legion surrounded Massada for THREE MONTHS and the Romans were not Jews, so they ate pigs and what have you. You love to mention names of books that you never read... it is obvious now.
And how's that rejecting what I wrote to you? let try this one more time: (Please read this and you will see what kind of evidences Massada provided) So where are your evidences that could reject what Prof. Yadin discovered? If we will use logic in this questin, it will lead me to ask you the following: if you are not providing anything that could reject what Prof Yadin found, how can you say that its not true? how can you bash one of the greatest archeaologists in Israel ever if you dont have anything to rely on? I searched for it and didnt found anything, and I already told you that and asked you to give me the book that say what you are saying (that Prof. Yadin is a lair). if you are not providing anything that could reject what Prof Yadin found, how can you say that its not true? how can you bash one of the greatest archeaologists in Israel ever if you dont have anything to rely on?
True - I've NOT studied the Quran, I just use it as source of reference to check fals statements distortions/misinterpretations from people like you, . for example The "WE" is not the Muslims and the "Them " is not the Jews , as you falsely stated. Go learn and read The Complete Idiot's Guide to the Koran
See : The Masada Fraud - The Making of Israel Based on Lies by Nachman Ben-Yehuda www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biblianazar/esp_biblianazar_56.htm For example, Josephus tells us that before the collective suicide on Masada, ... Josephus expresses respect for those committing suicide but no more than that. Israel's Masada myth: doubts cast over ancient symbol of heroism and sacrifice Story of Jewish rebels taking their own lives while under siege in desert fortress was either exaggerated or untrue, say experts Masada became an Israeli myth," he said. For a nation still reeling from the revelations of the 1961 trial of Adolf Eichmann, "brave Jewish warriors standing up to the might of the Roman army was a much-needed antidote. But some people challenged the merits of the story – you stand alone on a hill to fight your enemies and then commit suicide? This is the 'Masada complex'? This is the model for Israel?" David Stacey, a veteran of the excavation 50 years ago, dismissed the story of mass suicide. "It was completely made up, there was no evidence for it," he said. "Did Yadin pursue this story because he was an ardent nationalist, or because he needed to raise money for his excavation? Yadin was a smart enough operator to know that to succeed, you've got to sell a story. He succeeded." read more : http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/22/israel-masada-myth-doubts .....
Are you even keeping track with my comments? it seems not!! I've already related to what you mentioned is written in Surah 7. here it is one more time: In Surah 9, paragraph 29: As you can see Muhammad mentioned in the Quran that the Jews (and Christians) must have to be perscuted by Muslims until they will pay the Jizyah (= Skull taxs). The words "the people of the scripture" is refering to the Jews (and Christians), it like you will say "the people of the book". And let us see it with a wider look: Source: http://www.noblequran.com/translation/surah9.html 1. it seems odd to me that you are disscusing about a book which you ever read it before. 2. I'm still waiting on your referance about what I wrote you here and even in my last comment. It was something I've already related to what you mentioned is written in Surah 7. It seems that you need "The complete idiot's Guide to the Quran" more then I do, esspecially when you even didnt read it (=the Quran).
Let us explore it: What does Josephus tell us about the events in Masada? Nachman Ben-Yehuda, an American Sociologist, cannot bash Josephus Flavius, because of the simple fact that Josephus was the emperor's writer, the Roman one yeah?, and before Josephus were placed by Flavius, the reports of the Roman army, and according to that he wrote what you are mentioning as "The Massada Myth". Mythical Masada 1. Prof. Amnon Ben-Tor was mentioning the nerrative that Ben Yehuda was using in his book "Back to Massada": 2. Ben Yehuda is speaking about a myth, and yet Prof. Ben Tor mentioned it in his book also: Prof. Ben Tor is continue and writes: 3. in the link you were referring me Ben Yehuda wrote there that he exmined the historical nerrative of Massada with: SO basicley according to Ben Yehuda, the one you strongley soppurt, exmined an historical site with children's literature and movies, he exmined it in tour books as well, and yet you are a soppurter of him about Massada, you are supporting people that exmine history with children's books. HE DEBUNKED HIS OWN CLAIM WITH THAT SENTENCE ONLY!! The archaeological excavations 1. He wrote in that part about the 3 skeletones that were found in Massada, and yet he didnt discribe about the location, and because of that only he cant assume anything about the claims of Prof. Yadin. When you are mentioning some archeaological finds you need to describe the location that those were found and not to published half facts!! with half facts you cant assume nothing! 2. Ben Yehuda wrote also that the archeaoligists were disscused about the findings of thes same day and to overlap the findings of that day with those of the days before. So he said that in those disscusions they: But what he didnt mention, that the archeaologists overlaped the findings that were discovered until the day of the dusscusion, so they could change their claim because a new discovery can change the whole story of the site. OR as Prof. Amnon Ben Tor wrote in his book: ONCE AGAIN BEN YEHUDA DEBUNKED HIS OWN CLAIM!!! Finale Let us finish it with qouting Prof. Amnon Ben Tor from his book: A sociologist that bashing archeaologists? funny!! its like plumber will tell a judge how to conduct a trial. BTW- Prof. Ben Tor was part of the excavetion team that excaveted Massada with Prof. Yadin.
The Masada myth was put to could use to inspire nationalism in the young state of Israel... Now, nobody mentions it. For whatever reason Yadin falsified his findings. - - - Updated - - - The Masada myth was put to could use to inspire nationalism in the young state of Israel... Now, nobody mentions it. For whatever reason Yadin falsified his findings. - - - Updated - - - Are you old enough to remember what an international stink it was when Yadin's students who had worked on the dig came forward?
In the gathering which took place in 2013, Yadin's students were in that gathering and praised him on the findings of the excavetion in Massada.
