What is Palestine who are the Palestinians?

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Middle East Jews are very much related to their Israelite ancestors.

    even Ashkenasi and Sephardic Jews bear the genes of their Israelite ancestors, though not as much as Maghreb Jews.
     
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    Well, I am related to Diana Spencer. (along with thousands of other people) It doesn't give me rights to take property or deny others their civil rights.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    did i say it did???????????????????????????????????
     
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    No you didn't.. :wink:
     
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    Talking of today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Who is the majority and how many are illegal squats?
     
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    its pretty racist to call all of the millions of Palestinians "illegal squats".
     
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    Well who came first the chicken or the egg? Who's land was it ? Jewish or Arab?

    As an illustration the supposedly town of Silwan derives from the Spring <Gihon> called Siloam by the Greeks, the Gichon Spring had a pool called <Shiloach> that the Greek pronunciation called Siloam

    Built into the southern slopes of the Mount of Olives, directly across the Kidron Valley from the Ophel, site of the ancient city of Jerusalem, is the gritty, graffiti-daubed Arab village of Silwan. The name of the village itself tells an interesting story &#8211; Silwan derives from the Greek Siloam, a corruption of the Hebrew Shiloach, the name of a pool in the area used to collect water from the Gichon Spring, the chief water source of ancient Jerusalem. Shiloach makes several appearances in the Bible, both in the Hebrew Bible, wherein Isaiah mentions it, and in the New Testament, where it is the setting for Jesus' healing of a blind man.

    The area was erratically occupied throughout the ages following the collapse of Judean sovereignty, and the roots of the modern village were put down in 1882 by Yemenite Jews, who had begun immigrating to the Holy Land in large numbers during the latter part of the 19th century. The original Yemenite tenants were violently expelled during the countrywide Arab riots of the late 1930s, and Silwan became entirely Arab.

    Today the area is mostly residential, and political tensions are high, especially due to Jewish groups sponsoring Jewish settlement at the fringes of the village. The descendents of the expelled Jews are returning to their early property.

    So who are the real owners and who are the squats?
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_Siloam

    For Christians, the Pool of Siloam has additional special significance: it is mentioned in the Gospel of John as the location to which Jesus sent "a man blind from birth" in order to complete the healing of the man.[1][2]

    A substantial remodeling of a nearby pool, thought to be the Pool of Siloam, was constructed in the 5th century under Byzantine direction and is said to have been built at the behest of Empress Aelia Eudocia. This pool, having been somewhat abandoned and left to ruin, partly survives to the present day, surrounded by a high wall of stones on all sides (except for an arched entrance to Hezekiah's tunnel, which was only rediscovered in the 19th century).

    The Pool of Siloam from the Second Temple was destroyed and covered after the Great Revolt of Judea against the Romans in the year 70.

    http://hitch.south.cx/biblesidenotes-e03-Jerusalem - Hezekiahs Tunnel..htm

    It was Jebusite and the inscriptions in the tunnel were Canaanite.
     
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    Jebusites and Cana'anites do not exist today for they were absorbed/intermarried with the Israelites who by doing so became the natives of this country of ours. Islam was nowhere to be found then until the seventh century.
    From Joshua to Mohammad there is a humongous time gap... The Arabs have nothing to do in Israel they have 22 Arab countries and Israel will NEVER EVER be the 23rd Arab country.
     
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    The Israelites don't exist today either.
     
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    Israelites, Hebrews, Jews are all the same meaning with different appellation.
    Zionism is one of the national political movement of Israel.
     
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    And they too are a mixed blood people.. Canaanites, Egyptians as well as Berbers.
     
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    how is it racist when jewish ppl and palestinians are both "caucasian" (according to some ppl, not me btw)?
     
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    Agreed. This is the key point of friction obviously. it terminates imperial arab rule over the two continents which is why Israel is hated.

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    just because you dont know who or where they are doesnt mean they dont exist. They do and it is your not knowing causing the confusion.
     
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    All thru the OT the Jews intermarried with Canaanites.. Moses had an Arab wife and so did Abraham.

    What "Arab Imperial rule" was that?
     
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    I see now where the confusion is........................... To you Egyptian is Arab... When in reality Egyptian of the Bible means Pharaoh.
     
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    Keturah and Zippora weren't Egyptian.. they were Arabs.. Have you actually ever read your scriptures?
     
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    Zipporah was a [Midianite] descendant of Abraham and Keturah.
    Hagar was given to Abraham by the Pharaoh
    Keturah also a Medianite/Kenite/Moabite

    <Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah;...> Three years after the death of Sarah, and when his son Isaac was married, and he alone, and now one hundred and forty years of age:

    Who she was, or of what family, is not said. Very probably she was one of Abraham's handmaids born in his house, or bought with his money, perhaps the chief and principal of them. Genesis 25:6; whereas it does not appear he ever had any other than Hagar and Keturah, and therefore could not be the same; and besides, the children of Hagar and Keturah are in this chapter reckoned as distinct. Cleodemus , a Heathen writer, makes mention of Keturah as a wife of Abraham's, by whom he had many children, and names three of them. Sir Walter Raleigh thinks, that the Kenites, of whom Jethro, the father- in-law of Moses, was, had their name from Keturah, being a nation of the Midianites that descended from her.

    Hey BTW don't you know that Adam and Eve were Muslims and were entombed in Mecca? No I am pulling your leg here LOL
     
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    How one should retaliate against 3600 unguided Missiles lobbed from Gaza?

    I am perfectly sure you would not suffer one of them.
     
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    Gazans Reveal Media Lies and Hamas War Crimes

    ~by Steven Ahle on October 1, 2014 in Crime, Israel, Terrorism

    http://buzzpo.com/gazans-reveal-media-lies-hamas-war-crimes/

    Mudar Zahran of the Gatestone Institute decided that the international media was untrustworthy about the war between Hamas and Israel (You Think?), and decided to go directly to the Gazans and ask them for himself. The result is very enlightening. Once you hear their stories, you realize how much the international press covered up for Hamas in their antisemitic zeal. The surprising thing to many people is that many Gazans don&#8217;t blame Israel, they blame Hamas.

    Here are a few quotes that Zahran gathered:


    &#8220;If Hamas does not like you for any reason all they have to do now is say you are a Mossad agent and kill you.&#8221; &#8212; A., a Fatah member in Gaza.

    &#8220;Hamas wanted us butchered so it could win the media war against Israel showing our dead children on TV and then get money from Qatar.&#8221; &#8212; T., former Hamas Ministry officer.

    &#8220;They would fire rockets and then run away quickly, leaving us to face Israeli bombs for what they did.&#8221; &#8212; D., Gazan journalist.

    &#8220;Hamas imposed a curfew: anyone walking out in the street was shot. That way people had to stay in their homes, even if they were about to get bombed. Hamas held the whole Gazan population as a human shield.&#8221; &#8212; K., graduate student

    &#8220;The Israeli army allows supplies to come in and Hamas steals them. It seems even the Israelis care for us more than Hamas.&#8221; &#8212; E., first-aid volunteer.

    &#8220;We are under Hamas occupation, and if you ask most of us, we would rather be under Israeli occupation&#8230; We miss the days when we were able to work inside Israel and make good money. We miss the security and calm Israel provided when it was here.&#8221; &#8212; S., graduate of an American university, former Hamas sympathizer.

    Zahran found out that any Gazan who spoke to a journalist put their lives in danger:

    Although Gazans, fearful of Hamas&#8217;s revenge against them, were afraid to speak to the media, friends in the West Bank offered introductions to relatives in Gaza. One, a renowned Gazan academic, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that as soon as someone talked to a Western journalist, he was immediately questioned by Hamas and accused of &#8220;communicating with the Mossad&#8221;. &#8220;Hamas makes sure that the average Gazan will not talk to Western journalists &#8212; or actually any journalists at all,&#8221; he said, continuing:

    &#8220;Hamas does not want the truth about Gaza to come out. Hamas terrorizes and kills us just like Daesh [ISIS] terrorizes kills Iraqis. Hamas is a dictatorship that kills us. The Gazans you see praising Hamas on TV are either Hamas members or too afraid to speak against Hamas. Few foreign [Western] journalists were probably able to report what Gazans think of Hamas.&#8221;

    When asked what Gazans did think of Hamas, he said:

    &#8220;The same as Iraqis thought of Saddam before he was toppled. He still won by 90-something percent in the presidential elections. If Hamas falls today in Gaza, people here will do what Iraqis did to Saddam&#8217;s statue after he fell. But even though Western journalists may not have been able to speak freely with Gazans, they still need a story to send to their editor by the end of the day. So it is just easier and safer for them to stick to the official line.&#8221;

    &#8220;What was that,&#8221; I asked: &#8220;&#8216;Blame Israel&#8217;?&#8221;

    &#8220;I don&#8217;t know about that,&#8221; he said. &#8220;More like, &#8216;Never blame Hamas!&#8217;. Hamas was making a &#8216;statement': Opposing Hamas Means Death. Hamas is a dictatorship that kills us.&#8221;

    Here are a few other selected comments from Zahran&#8217;s article:

    D, a store owner, said:

    &#8220;There were two major protests against Hamas during the third week of the war. When Hamas fighters opened fire at the protesters in the Bait Hanoun area and the Shijaiya, five were killed instantly. I saw that with my own eyes. Many were injured. A doctor at Shifa hospital told me that 35 were killed at both protests. He went and saw their bodies at the morgue.&#8221;
     
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    She was a Midianite... an Arab ... and according to scripture Abraham married Zipporah.
     
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    The Midianites were descended from Abraham and Keturah... stop with your fixation.
    If Saudi Arabia was that good why didn't you stay a little longer? But you opted for Texas... good thinking.
     
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    WOW ! the international media - untrustworthy -/ anti-semitic zeal - covered up for Hamas. ?

    Are you saying Hamas owns the international media ?

    :roflol:


    BTW _ How can anyone verify/check Steven Ahle's story ?


    ....
     
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    Medianites:
    The Midianites were a biblical people who occupied territory east of the Jordan River and the Dead Sea, and southward through the desert wilderness of the Arabah. They reportedly dominated this territory from roughly the twelfth through the tenth centuries B.C.E. In the biblical account, the Midianites were descended from Midian, a son of Abraham through his concubine Keturah (Genesis 25:1-6).
    During the time of the Exodus, their territory apparently also included portions of the Sinai Peninsula. The land of Midian was also where Moses spent his 40 years in exile after killing an Egyptian (Exodus 2:11&#8211;15). During those years, he married Zipporah, the daughter of Jethro, the priest of Midian.
    When the Israelites neared Canaan, however, the Midianites came to be seen as enemies after some Midianite women introduced Israelite men to the worship of the local deity Baal-Peor. Moses then led a war of extermination against them. However, in the Book of Judges, the Midianites were strong enough again to cause serious trouble for the Israelites until the judge Gideon subdued the Midianites and their Amalekites allies.
    Not all of the Midianites, however, were in fact the Israelites' enemies. For example, the Midianite clan known as the Kenites were allied with the Israelites and eventually merged with the Tribe of Judah. The heroine of the Book of Judges, Jael, was the wife of a Midianite who lived among the Israelites.
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    The people of Midian are also mentioned in the Qur'an, where the name appears in Arabic as Madyan. Allah sent to them the prophet Shoaib, traditionally identified with the biblical Jethro. Today, the former territory of Midian is located in western Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, southern Israel, and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.

    This is for you in a nutshell, you cannot go backward to project Arabs, they now live in the territory that Abu Saud controls. They might be Arabs to day, but at the time of the Bible they wer 'Midianite'!!!!!!!!
     
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    Muslims giggle over the legend that grandmother Eve is buried in Jeddah in a long narrow tomb.. She was supposedly 90 feet tall.. Don't have a clue where Adam is supposedly buried.
     

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