What is the threshold to be met to warrant the removal of a President?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IOW, Orange Man Goooooooooood.
     
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    LOL, this is the current problem, baseless accusations with zero proof.
     
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    ~ The Democrats took the fun out of impeachment . :disbelief:
     
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    Nothing has changed. The Constitution was set up so that the unscrupulous could impeach a president for chewing bubble gum on a non bubble gum chewing day. This the Dem Party's leadership did via a strictly politically partisan vote. So the president can be impeached for any reason whatsoever. The question now is if that partisan gaming of the Constitution is going to politically blow-back on the Dem Party in 2020 or end up hurting Trump in any meaningful way. So far it's looking like it's the former rather than the latter that's going to happen. But we shall see.
     
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  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    He already tried. It doesn't matter what I assume. What matters is what voters will assume. If he's re-elected, his second term will be tarnished from day one.

    And I do admit that I see no other way for him to win other than cheating.

    I'm assuming that they are smart enough.

    It's not that I don't understand it. It's that it's too irrelevant to even address at this point.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to your allegations.
    That is a pretty arrogant statement. I suspect that most Americans are just a smart or smarter than you.
    Since the house failed to get a single republican vote, it ought to be obvious, even to you, that there is little bipartisan support for removal. That is across the board, congress and the voters.
     
  7. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have an appalling, fundamentally flawed understanding of the standard by which the Constitution allows for impeachment.
     
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    A strictly partisan politically motivated impeachment of a sitting president according to the sham 'investigation' and 'testimony' prior to the impeachment, the bizarre nature of the 'charges, and the voting count record of the impeachment itself? I am exactly correct in my assessment.
     
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    Fairly new. It's only under 350 years old.

    "The House of Representatives ... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment."
    Article I, Section 2, Clause 5
    ...
    "The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments"

    Article I, Section 3, Clause 6

    (Emphasis added)
    And please don't ask me to explain to you the Constitution. That's what High School is for, and I have more interesting posts to respond to to waste my time getting you up to speed on Civics, English and Logic (you are required to have passed all three) If you have any questions, look up the word "sole". The definition that has nothing to do with feet is preferable.
     
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    Yep, chewing bubble gum on no-gum day fits neatly under the "new" Abuse of Power definition....a serious misdemeanor.
     
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    Bubba wasn't impeached for that.

    Bubba was impeached because he committed perjury, suborned perjury and obstructed justice during a sexual harassment lawsuit case.

    Try to keep up.
     
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    Bubba actually committed real crimes of perjury, suborned perjury and obstruction of justice.

    Try to keep up.
     
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    Well that was a total miss or deflect which ever is most popular with leftist denial ATM :)
     
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  14. Golem

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    I already admitted on the OP that it falls short. But it's the best we can do. And it's enshrined in the Constitution.

    What you say was debated by the framers when Impeachment in Article 2 was discussed. They concluded that elections would not remove a President who abused power to perpetuate him/herself in power by cheating. And that's why Article 2 is as we see it.

    And that's precisely why Trump is being impeached.
     
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  15. Lee Atwater

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    I see you are expert in regurgitating talking points.............but they have no bearing on reality. Trump abused his authority and is obstructing a legal congressional inquiry. Both are grounds for impeachment.
     
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    So you're saying the Senate will not do their job. The Articles may be dead after all the evidence is presented. If it is, it wouldn't matter if all the votes are Republican because the people will know the facts. But if, as you say, it's "dead on arrival", that means you believe Republicans are political partisan hacks who would just rubber stamp an authorization for Trump to circumvent the Constitution and the laws.

    I tend to agree with you, but we'll see.
     
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    Yes!!!!

    What in the world did you think "to faithfully execute the Office..." meant?

    God!

    The problem is obviously that so many Republicans don't even understand the Constitution of the United States. And that many of those who do, don't care about anything that is not in the 2nd Amendment.
     
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    No. What he is saying is that the democrats failed to convince even one republican. Throw into the mix that the democrats wanted to impeach even before he took the oath of office and they have tried numerous investigations to find him guilty of something. In short, the republicans don't believe much of anything the democrats are selling. From our view, the democrats are partisan hacks and are circumventing the Constitution and the laws.
     
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    How would you know what he's saying? It's obvious to me that he has no clue what he's saying. And I'm giving him a chance to realize that. So my response is only relevant to him.

    If you have something to say yourself, you say it!
     
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    One needs to keep in mind as well that in the House there are Never-Trump RINOs and yet even they were unwilling to impeach Trump over . . . nothing. That should tell these impeachers . . . something.
     
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    I fully expect the Senate to disagree with you.
     
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    Still, when its left to the politicians without the electorate having the say it's clearly not the will OF THE PEOPLE! I guess we could accept the idea of poling taken by left wing or right wing biased sources but that's just putting the power in another hand and not the electorate.. Maybe! Just maybe, the electorate doesn't see it the way the haters see it? Maybe, they like a little corruption? IF, the electorate are behind the president then that should be the will of the people or as we experienced with Mr. Trump, the nation!

    After this leftist shlt show, I think we should set up the voting booths and take a vote. WTF? Not like we don't have a hundred thousand Gubmint workers standing around thumbing their ass's daily! Have them set up all the voting sites and saturate the media and inform the people of an impeachment vote.. Hell, make it a thing that we do it every two years just in case there is buyers remorse with any President elected ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    Always, and some people believe everything they hear and read :(
     
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    Just like the liberal left media. Guilty until proven innocent. Prove your innocence? You must have slept all through American Govt class.
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    Ask CNN how’s that working out for them. Settled for an undisclosed amount to Nick Sandman in the $250 million “your guilty of racism” lawsuit. There’s another 56 defendants all pooping their pants right now wondering about the precedence CNN set in this ongoing guilty till proven innocent ordeal.
     
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  25. Golem

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    No! The courts do not have "the sole power of impeachment".

    Wrong again. The Founders intended for the people to elect their President. The Electoral College is only the mechanism that they thought might accomplish that.

    The rest of your post has nothing to do with the OP.
     
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