What is the threshold to be met to warrant the removal of a President?

The check on power is not Impeachment. It's removal. The House does not do that. It's the Senate.

 

I think that the most pernicious thing that they did not foresee was that a Senate would be so partisan that they would even refuse to look at the evidence.

 

Let me type more slowly. The second article is about contempt of Congress. The President has every right to exert Executive Privilege. 44 Presidents have used that power before Trump. If Pelosi wanted it overridden, she could have challenged it in court. The Committee Chairs said up front that they planned to abuse their power by issuing a mountain of subpoenas. Trump had every right to challenge the subpoenas. Pelosi was in a hurry, walked away and issued a bogus Article.

To your first inaccurate point: You proposed that the impeachment vote be a popular vote, which would undermine our election system.

BTW. Do you have a copy of Monica Lewinsky's testimony in the Clinton trial?

 

Sorry to hear the Framers didn't live up to your expectations. The good news is that their "unscrupulous" (as you call it) legislation only affects this country. So there is still a chance that you might find one in which their framers are more to your liking.

 

Looks like the American voters were smart enough to infer a year before that that would happen, so they removed them from control of the House.

 

You see, that is the attitude that makes you wrong so often. I don't have to agree with the framers on every single point. Anyone who does, is not thinking for themselves.

You were doubting just a bit ago that the American voters were smart enough to make a good decision. It would appear that your opinion of good or bad depend entirely on whether they agree with you. I have more faith in my fellow man, even if they disagree.

 

It means something like this.

No, it’s actually SEAL Team V, but thanks for the comparison.

 

I don't disagree with any of the above. I do find it suspicious that Impeachment is being sought so near to an election. It seems as though We The People are not trusted to deal with this 'threat' ourselves and the elites in DC must do it for us...

 

That's what I'm saying. It's not perfect. But it's what we got.

Our Democracy has never been perfect. But it's the best system there is.

 

Right! All the 44 Presidents who were impeached before Trump used it. I forgot!

BTW. How's the weather in La La land?

 

Oh! You think he really disagrees with them on this?

I was making fun of him because I thought it was a gaffe.

I guess you can never assume that a statement a Republican makes is too dumb to have been made on purpose.

 

It took me a long time to research the validity of my arguments, and I suggest you do the same. Please refrain from responding if the only argument you can come up with is a Conspiracy Theory.

Name the Presidents who have been impeached for exerting executive privilege. Here's some help for a recent President. Was Obama impeached?

Five times presidents sparked controversy using executive privilege
By Zack Budryk - 05/08/19 04:17 PM EDT



Barack Obama

The Obama administration asserted executive privilege in June 2012 in response to a House investigation of Operation Fast and Furious, a controversial “gunwalking” operation in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed the running of guns in hopes that they could be tracked to Mexican drug cartel figures.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) demanded documents relating to the Justice Department’s response to the operation, which Attorney General Eric Holder refused to provide.

The committee voted 23-17 to hold Holder in contempt of Congress for his failure to release the documents, with the full chamber voting in favor of contempt 255-67.

The Justice Department cited executive privilege again to decline to prosecute him on the contempt charge.

Nearly four years later, District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled against Obama’s assertion of executive privilege, writing that existing disclosures relating to the operation cast doubt on the idea that the documents at issue must remain confidential.

"The Department itself has already publicly revealed the sum and substance of the very material it is now seeking to withhold,” she wrote. “Since any harm that would flow from the disclosures sought here would be merely incremental, the records must be produced."

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/442754-five-fights-over-executive-privilege

 

What is the threshold to be met to warrant the removal of a President? I'll give you a hint, nothing that President Trump has done nor anything in the bogus articles of impeachment.

 

I'm an atheist. So it wasn't a compliment.

 

So what is your opinion of the electoral college?

 

Suspicious of what? What difference does it make? The House learned about the call on September 9. And the investigation started on September 13. All delays have been due to Trump stonewalling the investigation.

You would have to ask Mitch McConnell. We The People are the ultimate judges. But only if the documents and witness testimonies are made public.

 

I agree. They should be made public (as is my position on everything). Is McConnell the only one with the authority to make that happen?

 

Impeachment is like pornography. It’s difficult to define, but I know it when I see it.

The standard for removal is set just right at 2/3 of the Senate. 50% plus one would be too low, and 75% is probably too high.

 

No idea. You were the one who said that 44 Presidents had used executive privilege when they were impeached, like Trump did.

I mean, we are talking about impeachment. In which Executive Privilege does not apply.

 

That's not the issue. The issue is that he's the one with the most authority to stop it from happening. And the only one who has stated that he would.

 

Can he stop it from being made public now, before anything goes to the senate?

 

I don't know if he can. But he's trying his damn hardest.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/0...to-gop-proposal-to-dismiss-impeachment-trial/

 

Yes Congress impeaches by a majority and Senate removes by a super majority based on the Constitutional standard of Treason, Bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Got to be something HIGH.

You just said we can't hold a national referendum and you were quite right. Only the Senate can remove from office because the Senate represents the States who choose the President.

And all the evidence the House produces will be presented. They can't ask the Senate to go out and get more.

And impeachment does not negate the Constitution and it's separation of powers and executive privilege of Article Two powers as has been recognized but the SCOTUS since Washington.

That it's Trump does not change that. The Democrats did not produce enough evidence to impeach the President and now they want the Senate to make up for it. That AIN'T the way it works.

 

I can't find any legal on the matter one way or another, but its seems to me, given that they're entirely the House's 'baby' at this time, they could just make them public right now. I'm betting they don't want them out there any more than McConnell does. So long as they (Congress- all of them) have their secrets, they get to keep playing their games at our expense.

 

Not sure why you made that last comment. I'd say President of the United State is pretty high.

No they don't! They just ask the Senate not to block it.

But why is that of any relevance? The House doesn't need to ask the Senate to go out and find anything. Senators have as much a responsibility to the country to find the truth as House representatives do.

Not for Impeachment.

The Senate just needs to do its job. They just need to sit quietly and not obstruct. Issue the subpoenas that the rules say they must issue and get out of the way. Because a freight train will be passing right through the middle of the Capitol Building.

If they don't, that will not only prove to the people that Turmp is guilty, but it will also prove to them that the Senate is in cahoots with the President to protect him no matter what crimes he commits.