What legal gun owners are really afraid of.......

I don't think they're top shelf... I know the Republicans cheat.
On a serious note, there are morons in this world that insist the holocaust didn't happen. The strongest argument against these bigots is that faking such a large event would require the cooperation of thousands (possibly millions) of people - and NOBODY has broken let the secret slip?
Similar logic for fixing a presidential election. You lost, get over it.

You mean by limiting the press coverage of mass shootings, arresting people without charge under the patriot act, or legalizing torture? I'm pretty sure Republicans have fought for all of these things...

LOL!!! If many Christians had their way, you would only have the freedom of THEIR religion...

 

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/australia .............here ya go...from them, of course

 

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, i get it, you are a muslim..that explains all of that
Dems, Repubs, they are all from the same pool.............
But I didn't ask about the country;s right to freedom of speech, I was talking about your Individual Rights to Free Speech...that's a teribble deflection
What about your individual 4th and 5th Amendment Rights..where do you draw the line?

 

There a 300 million guns in America. Many of these are not owned by law abiding citizens. These guns will take years to remove from society. Combine that with what will become an increase of gun trafficing through mexico and guns will never disapear, at least not in our lifetime

 

The democrats have had a supermajority in both halves of congress at least thee times in the past. I'm betting that if they had a supermajority right now, we'd see an assault weapons ban a lot like the one New York just passed. There doesn't have to be an actual majority of liberals, they just have to have a good election year and take congress again. Regardless, they wouldn't push a full gun ban all at once. They'd certainly start with "Assault Weapons", then when that didn't actually end gun violence they'd start pushing a high-powered handgun ban, since no one needs a 454 a Desert Eagle 50 cal or a 44 magnum, and those are big, scary guns. Since gun crimes will continue to happen, they will move on until eventually all guns are banned.

As for the supreme court, the recent pro second amendment rulings have been passed by a 5/4 margin. If just one conservative judge dies during a democrat's presidency - such as the current one - the court will be weighted the other direction.

As for the source for guns, there are likely already millions of guns in criminal hands. Criminals will still be able to get more guns through international trade, or even make their own.

 

Check out Puerto Rico Gun Laws it's almost impossible to own a gun and expensive and there is crime every where every day, murders,homicides in an island that is 111 miles long by 75 miles wide roughly, nobody can defend themselves 600 to 900 murders a year that's what happens when you put a gun control and/or ban. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/puerto-rico-crime

 

This is a dumb statement. Many implies some vague, unknown number. Give a percentage to the number of guns in the United States that are owned by criminals. When giving percentages, give some kind of context to the percentages you are giving because it will give you more bargaining power and more factual statistics.

I will give you an example:

I got 400% more traffic citations this last year than I had since 2007!

Though factually correct, it is some unknown percentage when in reality, I got one ticket this last November and the one before that was in 2009. The one before that, 2007. 2008-2011 it was .33 tickets per year. That context is important. Learn it, use it, come back when you can back up your statements with something you can argue.

 

So you're saying the United States, a wealthy first-world democracy, would suddenly become a third-world island if gun control were enacted?

 

And their sole source for that amazingly vague statistic hardly an unbiased source... Here's the souce's home page: http://www.ic-wish.org/
Their position statements clearly indicate they are a pro-gun activist organization. I reject your statistic, not only due to the bias of its source, but also because it is too broad to be of any value.

 

typical child........nanner nanner.......your stuff sucks and my stuff is neater...how (*)(*)(*)(*)ing juvenile and not real smart
have you put your sign out in your yard saying your house is undefended? If not, then how is it you are in favor of putting those signs up around schools? Their kids aren't as important as yours?
You know, the more I pay attention to what you say, the less I am inclined to believe that you were ever in the service, you are starting to sound like someone who has an ax to grind with this country........hardly the result of dedicated service to the marine corp......17 years my ass.........I think the tipping point was when you didn't respond correctly to the quip about the other part of the Navy...I'm more inclined to believe that you are in fact from another country. I have never met a marine that demanded his right to defend his home be turned over to someone else to do the job for him.

 

Asking for sources that don't have a clear bias is childish? Not sure I understand where you're getting that...

Remember when the residences of gun permit holders were released in map format recently? If guns are so good at reducing crime, why was that a problem?
Remember how your county is veritably filled with guns (I believe you said each home contains at least 2), yet you mentioned significant break & enter offences and drug manufacturing occurs there...

As for whether you believe that I served, I couldn't give less of a (*)(*)(*)(*). The fact that you referred to the Corps as "the other part of the Navy" is just another of your insults I chose to ignore. After all, someone has to be the adult and - despite your advanced age, you obviously lack the mental maturity.

My viewpoint is that there's nothing to defend my home from. I'm not fearful enough sit worrying about black helicopters, random gangs of criminals, New World Orders, the Illuminati, the United Nations deciding that MY freedom is all the stops them from taking over the world, zombie apocolypses, or anything else. If I had to defend my family from the average intruder, my K-bar is more than enough - especially since the poor sap would be within 15 feet if he's in my house.

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Tell me squid, were you ever shellbacked?

 

yep....1973 still got my paper.......shellbacked.........................
ya just prove my point..only an idiot would bring a knife to a gun fight......................

 

I was shellbacked while on the USS Blueridge around 1994, a short pleasure cruise from Okinawa (Camp Hansen) to Bali, around Australia (hitting every major port) and back up to Oki. I think it was May when we crossed the equator. Don't know what it was like in the stone age, but you don't get paper for hazing any more...

As for "bringing a knife to a gunfight"... If someone comes into my house, where I know the floorplan and they don't, and I can get within 15-20 feet and in a position to put them on the defense, I like my chances just fine. Especially since they're probably more used to using a gun to intimidate people than actually shoot attackers.

 

USS Ranger CVA 64 late '72 through mid '75


if if if if ...........all of your arguments are if-based.
Fantasy living is great, isn't it?
Two, 125 lb plus rottenlabs...first line of defense....shotgun rac second line of defense, if you proceed, it's the last warning you get...get it?
If you knife them in your yard, you will go to jail. I prefer to let them come in...then there's absolutely no question and no doubt about self-defense, especially if they are unable to answer probing questions...............
Using a knife requires that you must get close enough for them to use their knife as well. I prefer they didn't get that close .....I don't have to shoot them, and they don't have to die in my house.

 

REALLY? You seriously believe MY point of view is based on "If"?

Your primary reason for owning a gun, as far as I can tell, is for protection... That means you are basing your participation in the lifestyle of "gun culture", as well as your related attacks on the government and all citizens who disagree with you, solely on the paranoid notion of being ready "IF" you get attacked/invaded somehow, as if you are so important that you attract animosity with anything other than your antisocial, juvenile and antagonistic attitude.

 

This what I mean.....your comebacks are juvenile. I have stated, if you don't want firearms in your house, that is your choice. But since I have guns in my house I know I'm better off than you. Guess what, no accidental deaths in my house yesterday, or ever, no children injured or dead since I've owned.......so that is why I say your statistics don't mean squat..and that knife of yours won't save you or your family "IF" your intruders are better armed than you.
Better to be prepared than wish you had been...................

 

(*)(*)(*)(*)ed powerball numbers ...... tranference of intense thought

 

Actually, statistics are based on facts. You don't WANT to believe them because they don't support what you WANT to be true. The fact is that you are four times more likely to die at the end of a gun if you keep one in your house. By not having one in my house, I've cut back on the chances of my wife or kids being shot by 75%. That's concrete. How many times have you had a home invasion that required the use of your firearms? If the answer is "never", then they're not really doing anything significant to protect you or yours.

That's not emotion, it's not about what I want, it's just logic.

 

BTW, if you really believe that accidents are impossible... http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/hurt-accidental-shooting-nc-gun-show-18259364

 

twice, while I was living in the city.........one attacked my wife with a knife, or tried to.
Both times they failed. One of the guys had to await trial while the two bullet holes in him healed.
Fear would have prevented me from defending my family, having no guns would have seen my wife injured or dead and/or possibly me.
Now you are aware of my passion to protect my family............Understand this, I have no problem with that as a last resort.
I never blinked.............that is what criminals are terrified of....... the will of the person not to become a victim, but to take a pro-active position. That is my responsibility, not yours, not somebody else. Mine.
Still no children or accidental shootings............

 

no. The facts just don't fit......logic fails to take in to account the human factor. It's called trust. You trust those numbers because you don't trust yourself. It is obvious you aren't allowed to think for yourself, but must have some sort of intense push behind you. remember one thing, Stalin and Hitler both killed off collaborators once they had achieved power. You sure the word collaborator doesn't fit you? Seems like perfect fit on you..............................US marine my ass.............
You are the only marine I've ever known that would sell his fellow Citizens out to curry favor with his masters.
You have stated to me that you would gladly kill Americans if ordered to do so.
Need I copy and paste that pm for you?

 

Only takes one home invasion to end yours and your families lives. I wish I could guarantee no one would ever be home invaded but I cant and neither can you. I prefer to own guns, I know how to use them and I know how to keep them. I have no young children in my home anymore, they are long ago grown and have children of their own. I had a handgun their entire lives from the day they were born in the house. Most gun owners never have any issues with accidental shootings and the only ones that do are MORONS that have no clue how to handle or secure a gun.

 

Andy you're how old? in your late 60s? So, in your experience, guns come in useful (on average) once every 30 years or so? And the types of incidents you experienced have been resolved just as easily by a taser... I've never said nobody should protect their family, I just think those incidents are so rare that it's not worth the DAILY chance of having some accident with your firearm, especially since you don't believe you NEED guns to defend yourself from most incidents.

 

As per my post above, I think that the decision to maintain a firearm should not be made lightly, and that people should balance the slight daily risk of an accidental shooting in the home against the rarity of incidents occurring that would actually require a firearm.
I have never said that banning "assault weapons" (whatever they are) is the right move, or that I agree with the steps the government is taking. I don't agree with them. However, I still believe that we should be controlling who has access to guns, and what guns they have access to.
I believe that those types of "gun controls" must affect all people equally (black/white, rich/poor, etc) in order to avoid being declared discriminatory and unconstitutional by SCOTUS.

How is this "selling out" my fellow citizens?

Yes, I have PROUDLY stated that - as a Marine Infantryman - it was my DUTY to put holes in enemies of the United States as dictated by my chain of command, including "domestic terrorists". Are you saying you'd expect Marines NOT to obey orders or defend the country against domestic terrorists?

Your attempts to twist my words in order to discredit me are transparent and pathetic. The fact is I'm right, you know it, but you don't WANT me to be right because you want to keep your head in the sand.... Pathetic.

 

I don't know where you got the notion that I am less than absolutely sure my guns are secured at all times with the exception of one. The pistol comes out only during target practice and cleaning. What the intruder needs to be worried about is the 12 g next to the bed.
Dude, there are no kids in my house and I still practice absolute gun safety.
What's pathetic is that you believe Obama is God and you are willing to kill your fellow Americans at his whim. Any of them he wants. Any time he wants. Any way he wants. You just like killing.........IMO, you should not own anything bigger than a boy scout knife with a dull blade. You are the one that is dangerous because it sounds like you'd kill your own family if ordered to do so.
And you are anything but right..............