What made the big disparity in wealth?

Spamming? I am trying to back up what I say with proof. If your not intelligent enough to understand that, I'm sorry. As my Sister once said, (You can't fix stupid)

 

I didn't take away anything that you have said, as matter of fact, the more you have said the more misinformed you have been showing everyone over the years. YOUR ideal economy is to limit everyone choices or one size fits ALL. It's not going to happen. At the end of the day, the consumers vote for any products and services with their own wallets to improve the quality of life and serve their own interest, NOT YOUR interest.

 

Sure. Your spamming is very convincing.

Just like your sister said, you can't fix anyone else stupidity.

 

You see sir, that's why I say you can't fix stupid. I'm not limiting anyone's choice. If you had read and absorbed what Japan is doing, that sir is limiting people's choice. But if you did absorb it, you don't complain how they have shut us out of much of their markets. Foreign companies have full access to ours. So the choice has always been there. But when you chose to buy mostly foreign because you can save a buck, than don't be surprised that you can't find any good paying jobs here anymore.

 

Or the interests of foreign slave labor markets. People often vote against their long-term and wider interests without realizing it.

 

I grew up in the 1960's when income and wealth distribution in the US was far more even than it is now.

In fact, the very egalitarian nature of the post WWII economic boom was much commented on at the time.

The rising tide was lifting most boats.

What changed?

Well, greed and shortsightedness are definately factors.

Conservatism is another.

The fact that a large percentage of Americans saw their wealth and standard of living improve radically over three decades had a lot to do with the New Deal. It recognized collective bargaining,invested in infrastructure, and created a climate taht made it possible for people of ordinary means to get far better educated (the GI Bill).

By the late 1970's, people were taking it for granted, and were beginning to listen to those voices taht said that they would be better off managing their own retirement rather than having a pension.

Next, came the guys who wanted to cut taxes for the wealthy, on the belief that the benefits would "trickle down" to the rest of us (although we now know it never did, still many believe this myth).

Then came the guys who insisted that all those financial regulations that had been adopted during the Depression were quaint and old fashioned.

Then came the guys who told you you could have a bigger house, a new SUV, and a vacation and still have the same mortgage payment!

Now we've got the guys who are telling us that we have to cut benefits because we're saddling the next generation with debt. Of course, once we cut it, we guarantee that our kids will never see it.

In the last thirty years, the United States went from egalitarian miracle to the most economically polarized societies in the industrialized world.

Oddly, many of this process' victims (the tea party crowd) actually celebrate the fact that they're being left behind.

Some blame this on the displacements wrought by digital technology. But these changes are not happening in other industrailized countries the way they are happening here.

 

Nonsense.

I don't buy imported products to save money. In fact I paid more for imported products than local made products. I'm a brand loyalty and household appliances in my house have always been BOSCH, German maker. I'm wiling to pay the premium because I believe they're superior and durable products regardless who made it. And I would be buying Whirlpool if I have to replace my bathtub again.

As far as I'm concern, your claim that America does not have full access to foreign market is just another baseless propaganda. Just visit Shanghai to see there are how many American enterprises are operating over there. Starbucks Coffee, McDonald, Pizzahut, M&M, P&G...etc....are at every corner of the city.

Your idea of protecting middle class is beyond ridiculous. For those who only want to work in assembly line for the rest of their live do not deserve to be in the middle class to begin with. Do yourself a favor, cry me a river and get over it.

 

OP, if you don't like NAFTA or free trade then wait until the newest "free trade" agreement is enacted. It is super-NAFTA on meth. https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

 

But how cheap is that LG washer you saved fifty dollars buying if it made you lose your job and you go months without one and when you do find one, it pays half of what you were making and no benefits? How often will you have to buy a new washer?

When a factory closes, it not only effects the city it was in. I live in Arizona and we are mostly a tourist state. Many jobs depend on tourist. When people lose their job, they don't go on vacations. They don't buy cars, homes and furniture. They don't pay federal taxes. It's a rippling effect all through our economy and people don't realize that. The Japanese sure do.

 

I know, they are planning even a much bigger one. One better hope it's written up better than NAFTA and Free Trade was.

I'm not worried about myself. I am retired and drawing SS and a pension. I am worried about you, my kids and grand kids. What happens now will effect me very little.

 

You have gone from your baseless propaganda to your usual scare tactic. How many times do I have to spell it out for you that is not everything is about "cheaper price" when it comes to big ticket shopping items? In fact, many foreign made appliances are now more expensive than USA made, why do American consumers still want to buy them knowing that there is not much saving, in lot of cases, they would have to pay more for foreign made products? It's all go down to consumer perception and right now, the consumer perception for USA made products are at all time low. Either admit it or deny it. It's your choice.

 

Wow, you don't absorb most of what I say do you? I didn't say we didn't have access to foreign markets EXCEPT JAPAN and I think I proved that. I did say we don't sell hardly anything that the average foreigner can buy EXCEPT FOOD and I think that falls into the businesses you stated. Our exports are mostly big ticket items like airplanes, oil, bull bulldozers, machinery that foreign business and countries buy. Did you know all those trains that come in from our ports with those box cars full of foreign products go back with mostly scrap paper and cardboard? Yes, that is one of our biggest exports to China and Japan, our trash that they recycle to send more stuff to us.

Glad you don't think a guy that works hard in a factory doesn't deserve to be Middle Class.

 

Being misinformed is like wearing a badge of honor for you now? The USA has access to virtual every countries who is our trading partners. Boeing, IBM, Carterpillar,..etc...are big players in the global market. However, in term of revenue, Pepsi, Coke, M&M, Starbucks, McDonald, Pizzhut....etc... is making just as much money. Also, the USA is selling more military products than anyone else in the world. Do you categorize all the weapons, submarine, jet fighters that we sell to the Saudis are TRASH? That's a quite a new definition of trash to me. But again, I'm talking to an misinformed resident. Nothing is new here.

 

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More spamming. How convincing. What are you on now? A spamming war? For any spamming links that you've posted to serve your anti free trade propaganda, I certainly can google a lot more crappy news about USA made products, but I won't stoop to your level and I'm sure the last thing the posters on this board want to see is a thread full of spamming links.

Wait! I forgot. You're retied now. No wondering why you have so much time on your hand to spam.

 

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I see. You've gone from spammer to GM car saleman.

It's too bad I'm not looking to buy any new car right now.

You're selling to a wrong person.

 

If you mean backing up what I say, your right. I don't make statements like some that I can't back up. You should try it some time. Oh I forgot, your Mr. Big Shot that thinks no one working in a factory for a living is suppose to be Middle Class.

 

No one said an assembly line workers do not earn a living. However, if they want to be in the middle class going forward, they would need to do something else, being an assembly line worker for the rest of their lives won't help. Things changes and they will be constantly changing. Those who adapts to new economy will survive and thrive, those who doesn't will struggle, it's a part of the of the process.

 

If proving that we make good products is spamming, I guess I am. I won't sit back and let you people say all American puts out is junk. Why you guys get upset because I want to save American jobs is beyond me. If I was speaking the other way, I could understand it. Nothing I have said is a lie. Nothing.

 

No one said that you lie. It's what you have said FAILED to convince anyone.

Unconvincing =/= Upset

 

That's bull crap. A auto worker makes around $26.00 an hour and that is damn good pay to boalt on a door. Whirlpool was paying between fifteen and eighteen bucks an hour depending on where it is. Boeing pays over 20 dollars an hour and is good money and most of those people live in nice homes with two cars, a couple or more televisions. What do you think the Middle Class is made up of? Americans were doing pretty good at surviving untill the government got involved.

 

Well if no one is convinced, than I guess we'll just keep going down the same road and keep losing more and more good jobs. How has that worked out for us so far? It doesn't effect me. Like Sis said, You can't fix stupid. If people want to keep doing the same thing they're doing, they have no one to blame but themselves and our government.

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Well if no one is convinced, than I guess we'll just keep going down the same road and keep losing more and more good jobs. How has that worked out for us so far? It doesn't effect me. Like Sis said, You can't fix stupid. If people want to keep doing the same thing they're doing, they have no one to blame but themselves and our government.

 

This is my last post till tonight. I remember one of the last days Opra was on. She bought everyone in the audience a new VW Rabbit. I wrote her and thanked her. But I also pointed out how much more that gift would have meant to others if she had bought an American made car and not one made in Germany.

 

You're blaming NAFTA, China, Japan, Korea....etc...and now you're blaming the government. You didn't blame the government when they bailed out GM do you?

Boeing is doing great because they're constantly innovating and improving technologies despite tremendous competition pressure from Airbus. They have an outstanding management team and they're employing the best engineers and technicians in the country. Boeing is a great example of great success of American enterprises. General Motors had once shared the status and everyone knows how they drove the company to the ditch.....let's blame Sponge Bob for their failure shall we?