What the Messiah is Supposed to Do.

What was his crime?
Was it time wasting or did they get him on fraud?

 

You asked if there was a second coming of jesus.

i answered it, and apparently you dont like it

truth destroys ignorance and apparently you dont like it

may i ask if female dogs hate truth?

 

same as all of us; 'being born'

i dont see jesus as the liar

the religious wingnuts are who lie jah lot

 

I don't think I asked YOU......

 

I realize that.

Few Baptists know where their theology came from.

 

Its not about our approval or rejection.. Its what they believe.

 

i knew that already

 

I never really studied it; I stopped going in my early teens after my father died. I went through a period where I thought I was an atheist, only to realize in my mid- twenties that I wasn't. When I tried to reintegrate into religion, I found out that my beliefs had changed and I was nowhere near being a Christian anymore.

What did you mean by "by way of the Noahide laws"?
I don't see what they would have to do with it.

 

Idolatry is forbidden. Man is commanded to believe in the One G-d alone and worship only Him.

Incestuous and adulterous relations are forbidden. Human beings are not sexual objects, nor is pleasure the ultimate goal of life.

Murder is forbidden. The life of a human being, formed in G-d's image, is sacred.

Cursing the name of G-d is forbidden. Besides honoring and respecting G-d, we learn from this precept that our speech must be sanctified, as that is the distinctive sign which separated man from the animals.

Theft is forbidden. The world is not ours to do with as we please.

Eating the flesh of a living animal is forbidden. This teaches us to be sensitive to cruelty to animals. (This was commanded to Noah for the first time along with the permission of eating meat. The rest were already given to Adam in the Garden of Eden.)

Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice and a just social order to enforce the first six laws and enact any other useful laws or customs.


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Its part of the movement to have Christians celebrate Passover etc.

 

I know what they are, just didn't know why you would have thought they had anything to do with converting to Judaism.

Aside from "Jews for Jesus" types and other messianic groups, I didn't know there was a movement to get Christians to celebrate Pesach.

 

Its coming from Christians not from Jews.......

 

Jews for Jesus and many of the other messianic groups are Christians. Theres a bunch affiliated with the Southern Baptist Association.

 

do you reject jesus as messiah, and do you think theirs a second coming of Jesus?

 

really....and you're the great theologian of our time?

 

I take it that you have never heard of the Dallas Theological Seminary.... or the Moody Institute.

Both base their theology on the Scofield Bible.

 

please step away from the crack pipe

 

I like both but prefer southeastern.

 

http://www.theologicalstudies.org/resource-library/dispensationalism/421-what-is-dispensationalism

Since the mid-1800s, the system of theology known as dispensationalism has exerted great influence on how many Christians view the doctrines of ecclesiology and eschatology. In this article, we will survey the history of dispensationalism and look at the key beliefs associated with the system.

History of Dispensationalism

Theologians continue to argue over the origin of dispensationalism. Those who are dispensationalists argue that the basic beliefs of dispensationalism were held by the apostles and the first generation church. Those who are not dispensationalists often argue that dispensationalism is a new theology that began in the 19th century. What is clear, though, is that dispensationalism, as a system, began to take shape in the mid-1800s.

1. John Nelson Darby The beginning of systematized dispensationalism is usually linked with John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), a Plymouth Brethren minister. While at Trinity College in Dublin (1819), Darby came to believe in a future salvation and restoration of national Israel. Based on his study of Isaiah 32, Darby concluded that Israel, in a future dispensation, would enjoy earthly blessings that were different from the heavenly blessings experienced by the church. He thus saw a clear distinction between Israel and the church. Darby also came to believe in an "any moment" rapture of the church that was followed by Daniel's Seventieth Week in which Israel would once again take center stage in God's plan. After this period, Darby believed there would be a millennial kingdom in which God would fulfill His unconditional promises with Israel.1 According to Paul Enns, "Darby advanced the scheme of dispensationalism by noting that each dispensation places man under some condition; man has some responsibility before God. Darby also noted that each dispensation culminates in failure." 2 Darby saw seven dispensations: (1) Paradisaical state to the Flood; (2) Noah; (3) Abraham; (4) Israel; (5) Gentiles; (6) The Spirit; and (7) The Millennium. By his own testimony, Darby says his dispensational theology was fully formed by 1833.

2. The Brethren Movement Dispensationalism first took shape in the Brethren Movement in early nineteenth century Britain. Those within the Brethren Movement rejected a special role for ordained clergy and stressed the spiritual giftedness of ordinary believers and their freedom, under the Spirit's guidance, to teach and admonish each other from Scripture. The writings of the Brethren had a broad impact on evangelical Protestantism and influenced ministers in the United States such as D. L. Moody, James Brookes, J. R. Graves, A. J. Gordon, and C. I. Scofield.3

3. The Bible Conference Movement Beginning in the 1870s, various Bible conferences began to spring up in various parts of the United States. These conferences helped spread Dispensationalism. The Niagara conferences (1870—early 1900s) were not started to promote dispensationalism but dispensational ideas were often promoted at these conferences. The American Bible and Prophetic Conferences from 1878—1914 promoted a dispensational theology.

4. The Bible Institute Movement In the late 1800s, several Bible institutes were founded that taught dispensational theology including The Nyack Bible Institute (1882), The Boston Missionary Training School (1889), and The Moody Bible Institute (1889).

5. The Scofield Reference Bible C. I. Scofield, a participant in the Niagara conferences, formed a board of Bible conference teachers in 1909 and produced what came to be known as, the Scofield Reference Bible. This work became famous in the United States with its theological annotations right next to the Scripture. This reference Bible became the greatest influence in the spread of dispensationalism.

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Divisiona in history go back to iraneus

 

Futuristic interpretations of Revelation... the Rapture, the notion that Jews must return to israel and rebuild a temple all come from the Scofield heresy.

Its the core of literalism, fundamentalism and Christian Zionism.

 

who decided it was a heresy?

 

Well, it was born of a dream reported by a teenaged girl. You really should know this stuff.

A little education on Apocalyptic Literature and first century history would clear that up for you.

 

I know this stuff, but I'm trying to figure out YOUR theology, because from where I stand its a mish mash soupy theology that isn't biblical.

Now back to the question.....who decided it was a heresy?

 

Its idiotic to think that John of Patmos was writing to people 2000 years into the future.. when he clearly states the recipients of his letter.

Christians have been duped.. and became vulnverable during the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression.. The Scofield heresy didn't gain any traction in the US until then.. and even then it was among the rural poor and uneducated.

Charlatans like LaHaye, Hal Lindsey .. and even Amy Simple McPherson and Samuel Untermeyer back in the day.. have promoted this heresy for their own financial gain or political aspirations.

My theology is traditional.. partial preterism.

 

So who decided it was a heresy?