What things change between democratic and republican governments

Ah, understood.
Are we talking about perceived differences in attitude to big and little (high and low tax) government?

 

Tigger, the nature of politics has changed substantially over the years. When I was young, my father explained that generally, the republicans were if favor of promoting the business and economic environment, and thereby improve the economic opportunities all. The democrats were more in line with the working class, and supported ideas to improve their economy by shifting the benefits of legislation that way. For example, the republicans generally were less supportive of unions, the democrats more supportive. Still, the differences were in perspectives and opinions, and we had honorable people on both sides.

Today, we have more of what might be called a "pissing match", a childish game that has little to do with achieving results or doing the greatest good for the nation than in defeating those who disagree with you.
Our congress is in such a state; order and respect has been abandoned by many. Many, like me- are at a loss to understand how such people can get elected in the first place, but that comes back to diminishing cultural values related to things like the shrinking number of solid family homes and the excessive tolerance of liberal" values that have nothing in common with what liberal used to mean.

Too many people today fail to recognize that we are all on the same boat, and the future of us as individuals is common to the future of the ship itself.
In short... too many people of adult age still use the rationality of small children. They are allowing themselves to be controlled by emotions of the moment, but are failing to keep their eye on the future and where that conduct leads to.

So much of this is kind of like the phrase about "Give a man a fish". When people fail to accept responsibility for their own feeling, their decisions, their support- they blame someone or something outside themselves, and demand it be fixed for them. This is the frequent path of today's liberalism; it creates dependency and destroys the power of an individual to manage themselves. Invariably, that creates irrational conflict and destroys rational thinking and reason. Those are things always present in all societies- but right now, they are excessive in ours. Hopefully, we will grow out of it before it destroys us!

 

That's due to an over representation of corporate/oligarch greed. That's ultimately corrupted the system at detriment of the average citizen. It's now easier to do political party colosieum distractions while the government coffers are raided.

 

Our system is unfortunately designed so the will of the majority can be frustrated.

 

Thanks again everyone.
The thread is slowly veering towards the tribalism that pervades this site. That's why I was hoping to see specific differences between Rep and Dem rather than views expressing a more general dissatisfaction with governments.
Why are you a Democrat supporter?
Why are you a Republican supporter?
Why aren't you a floating voter?

Why the hard lines drawn if all politicians are the same?

 

It used to be easy if someone lied to you you could vote that person out. If entire parties lie and emotion replaces logic that becomes almost irrelivant.

 

Some laws arise that wouldn't have arisen in the former administration. Some executive orders are reversed and new ones written. But basically elections, while having some consequences, don't ever fix anything meaningfully. We change the names on the door so that new names can arrive in the future. I tend to think that political parties and elections are almost meaningless. The parties guide how people vote and the candidates all seek power to assuage personal interest. So we get the same thing with different details every election cycle. How is it in your country?

 

So the vote for Trump and the draining of the swamp was more a vote for anyone who would break the mould and instigate some sort of change?
I thought Trump would try and change to voting system to try and get a more representative system, but then I heard he lost the popular vote, so I guess he wouldn't want that.
I agree with those on here who say the system is designed to thwart any change.

 

Of course all politicians are not the same- but if you want the support of your party (which is probably critical to your re-election) straying from the fold can be political suicide. Some are where they are in total dedication to party policies, some with reluctance- but most have lost sight of why they are in office in the first place. Herd mentality is part of that. Another part is that is that the company you keep will have substantial influence on your own position and conduct- especially if you are a person dependent on the approval of others over the approval of yourself.

I have voted for many democrats in the past, however the changes in the philosophies among democrats have made that rare today. I'm independent politically, but my general philosophy of life is conservative. That means that my understanding of what works says we are all responsible for ourselves, including our emotions and decisions, and their consequences. I believe in people- all people- living well and happy. But, I know that only results from the person providing for themselves- being in the drivers seat of their own lives, and allowing others to do the same. The general philosophies of the republicans tend to be conservative and more supportive of what I believe is the right philosophy of life. The general philosophies of the democrats reject those values and make the quality of your life the responsibility of the system and other people. That is the promotion of dependency, a condition I know to be toxic to the spirit. strength and happiness of any person. The identity I see in these groups is drawn from their choices and conduct, not the marketing image they try to sell. Tomorrow is always coming, thus right thinking looks to the future- and a political philosophy that considers only the right now, the emotions of the moment, is a long-term disaster. This too tends to be a defining difference between parties; it is responsible for the condition we are in right now..... political myopia. There are huge fundamental value differences between the major political philosophies of today, and the integrity of politicians on both sides.

While I'm not associated with either one directly, I have to support the people whose philosophy I think best for all in the long run. That doesn't mean I vote party lines, I vote for the person whom I think best fits that description. Generally, that also aligns with the conservative (and usually) republican side.

I think where people are at politically has a lot to do with their personal values. Stronger people reject dependence, and vote for the future- weaker ones think it's necessary but hate the fact they are there, and vote for today. However, today is always the tomorrow we failed to plan for yesterday.

For me- it's not tribalism, it's values that will work in the long run that make a difference. JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you... Ask what you can do for your country". He was a democrat, and I voted for him. Unfortunately that idea didn't please enough people, so they killed him.

 

Companies react differently are the biggest changes.. Bidens biggest mistake was threatening restrictions and the DNC is famous for it and truck loads of strangling regulation!

 

Wow, you are just wanting to bicker over literally nothing.

Not interested.

 

Yes they do. They call it a platform.

 

While I do not pretend to be knowledgeable about your politics, I would venture to say that you do not have legislative change that is any more or less rapid than what exists here.

In truth, change is specifically designed to be very difficult to accomplish, and for good reason. If major legislation changed with every single change in the political winds, the end result would be great uncertainty in the economy including the stock market, which would not be a good thing. Nobody would want to invest in anything if in 4 years that investment could be ruined due to a rapidly changing legislative environment.

It is for this reason that our Senate requires 60 votes for passage of most bills. If it was a simple majority, we would see wild swings in legislative output.

 

So do I.

 

Yes it is.

This is a good thing. I believe I have heard this as being described as thwarting the tyrrany of the majority. This is why we have the 60 vote rule in the Senate. In most cases it makes the majority have to try to persuade several votes from the other side in order to gain passage. This usually entailsthe majority not getting everything that they want, and the minority getting a little of what they want. The alternative to this is simple gridlock, which is not such a bad thing.

You may not like this when your side is in the majority, but I guarantee you like it when your side is in the minority.

 

Sorry I don't understand this sentence?

 

Excellent, what are the big differences in these platforms. In the Uk the differences are pretty clear.

 

In other words you have no argument. Cool

 

I completely agree, but it does seem that the horrible changes brought by the Biden Regime appear to have been designed by the CCP.

The reason not much changes is because the Administrative Deep State controls it all.

 

Sorry about that! I'll highlight the key points

You ask

And I explain,

 

The Democratic Party Platform, 2020 - Ballotpedia
The Republican Party Platform, 2020 - Ballotpedia

 

Yeah.....I am just so flummoxed I dont know how to respond (sarcasm)

Sorry. Not interested.

 

A government elected with a majority can and does change many things here. Tax rates, who's taxed, whether we build or don't build hospitals, roads, railways. They are free to do any of these things so long as they have a majority in the house of commons (our House of representatives)
I agree change needs to be gradual, but in the US it appears to have stopped altogether which is equally dangerous as the world around you moves on.

 

Tax rates changed here in 2017 which is fairly recent.

Spending on Infrastructure is continual and just had a major overhaul in the last year.

Your belief that it has stopped here is not grounded in reality. The change you just described in your country, continues here as well. Dont believe all of the hype.

 

Thanks, an awful lot of waffle. Was hoping for someone to tell me what actually changed rather than this...
But too many Americans have been left out and left behind. They are working longer hours with less security. Wages have barely budged and the racial wealth gap remains wide, while the cost of everything from childcare to a college education has continued to rise. And for too many families, the dream of homeownership is out of reach. As working people struggle, the top one percent accrues more wealth and more power. Republicans in Congress have chosen gridlock and dysfunction over trying to find solutions to the real challenges we face. It’s no wonder that so many feel like the system is rigged against them.
Still I'll try to pick out actual policies.