What will Biden do if Iran attacks Israel?

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  1. kriman

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    Your words were: "So you think they should have let the missiles reach their target?" That is a statement with a question mark after it. If you have a question, just ask a question.
     
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    If you can't recognize a question then I can't be of any help.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you do not know how to properly ask a question "then I can't be of any help."
     
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    citation required
     
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    Nope enslaved Christians and Jews are east African and went mostly to Saudi Arabia. The US got it's slave from the Ashanti and Dahomey on the West African coast For the most part They were either Muslim or animist. Until the discovery of Quinine in the late 1880's The interior of West Africa was a death trap for Europeans. The first English expedition to central Africa shortly before the US civil war had two survivors both of whom died from a reoccurence of Malaria within five years of their return to England. Note they almost all died of disease and parasitic infestation.
     
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    I was assigned to McGuire AFB in the late 1970s. Prior to the Shaw of Iran being over thrown, we were training Iranian Air Force members. They were less than impressive. They were relatively undisciplined and were slow learners. I was never sure whether that was a language problem or what.

    This has been in the back of my mind since they attacked Israel. Israel knew they were going to attack and had ample time to prepare. Outwardly, it appears Iran lost. However, I am not convinced that Iran did not have something more sinister in mind. I am not what they have in mind, but it is hard to believe they were that stupid.

    They must have known ahead of time that Israel was prepared and would shoot down the vast majority of the drones, cruise missiles and missiles. The GNP of Iran is about three times that of Israel and I believe is pure dollar cost, that attack cost the Israelis far more than it cost the Iranians. I wonder if that was an attempt to probe Israel's defenses with the long term goal of attacking with even more overwhelming numbers with Israel's defenses partially depleted. It is also possible that Iran under estimated the support Israel would get from other mid-east nations and allies.

    In short, I am not sure this is over by a long shot.
     
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    No it did not.

    The US only allowed slavery for 89 years and not isrealites
     
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    Biden will tell Israel "Don't!"

    The Demise of the 'Don't' Doctrine

    'Turns out that simply saying “don’t” is not an effective deterrent against genocidal regimes hellbent on the destruction of Israel—and the United States. On October 18, 2023, merely 11 days after the Hamas-led massacre against Israel, President Joe Biden issued a warning to any state or hostile actor considering attacking Israel: “Don’t, don’t, don’t.” And yet, Israel has faced relentless bombardments from multiple Iranian proxies for the last six months. The ineffectiveness of Biden’s strategy was on full display again this past weekend, when the president issued a similar warning to Iran against striking Israel, this time with a single “don’t.” Predictably, this did nothing to halt the rogue state, which launched 300 drones and missiles at Israel late Saturday night. Almost all were intercepted, thanks to the combined efforts of Israel, the U.S., the U.K., France, and several Arab states.'

    'The Biden administration’s response to this attack was not to commit to taking action against Iran but to caution Israel against retaliating. Reports have even surfaced that the administration informed Iran through Turkish intermediaries that its onslaught must be kept “within certain limits,” essentially acquiescing to moderated aggression. The notion that Israel should not retaliate against an Iranian missile strike, marking the first assault on Israel launched directly from Iran, is untenable for both Israelis and Americans.'

    With six different countries and territories firing at one another, looks like a regional war, all bought on after Bribed Joe reversed Trump's policy of keeping Iran cash-starved, and enriched Iran with $Billions.
     
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    Just because you are unaware of something happening doesn't mean it didn't.

    USA enslaved Israel for hundreds of years where they were forced to work on plantations, particularly in the south for their white enslavers.

    Elmina castle is the largest port that Israel was taken captive from and sent to the Americas. Elmina was in a state called Ouidah, which is translated as Judah. This region is where most Jews were sent into exile in 1492 by afonso, king of Spain. This is documented in the manuelian ordanances.
     
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    Just because you believe horse crap does not make it so. And there were damn few jews that survived both being second class citizens in Granada and the The Reconquista. It is well documented by numerous sources that the triangular trade was the West Coast of Africa, to buy slaves none of which were Jews. Elmina was a Portuguese holding and most of those bought as slaves there went to The Caribbean and South America not the US. Quidah is in Benin which is well south of the equator and would also have traded almost entirely again with South and Central America and the Caribbean not the US,
     
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    The ones that were transported from elmina were and so too their descendants. Elmina was the main port for extraction of Jews of Ouidah.
     
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    prove it
     
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    You are entitled to believe what you like as am I.

    Your post also pretty much backs up my comment. The majority of so called African Americans taken captive in both north and south America were trafficked through Ouidah and ended up at elmina castle.
     
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    This is my belief. You are free to believe whatever you like, it makes no difference to me.

    To provide proof I'd have to give you a few hundred pages of sources and you would not be interested in reading through them as this subject is not important to you.
     
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    If you had real proof it wouldn't be remotely that long


    what you're claiming is complete idiocy
     
  16. Esau

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    You are entitled to believe what you like as am I. If iWere to post pages of evidence here, in this topic, it would be derailing. So I'll keep it brief out of respect for op.
     
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    Everyone is entitled to beliefs including yours which you consistently dream up out of thin air

    There are no such hundreds of pages
     
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    Everyone is entitled to beliefs including yours which you consistently dream up out of thin air

    See how the "nuh-huh" argument works yet?
     
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    No not even close. Sorry but with sailing vessels and the triangular trade both North and south didn't have a lot of crossover because of distance And it is likely that the Jews Middle class folks in Granada in spite of everything were the slave traders not the slaves
     
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    Not sure what you first point is supposed to explain. As to your second post. Both Jews and Muslims were exiled from Spain in 1492 with many either escaping to west africa or being sent there as degradado (slaves/criminals). Many would later become merchants (lancado) in West Africa and many would become pirates, which was how the Barbary pirates were formed, from moors expelled from Iberia.

    This is all documented in Portuguese archives but in old Portuguese, not translated into English yet but iHave special privilege to a modern translation.

    As to your original comment proving my point. The region that many Jews were living in West Africa was called Judah/Ouidah. These Jews were also taken captive en masses and shipped to America.

    You can believe whatever you like but you should not try to disuade me unless you actually bring contradictory evidence. All you have brought is contrary opinion, aka the nuh - huh argument.
     
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    Did you honestly not know that Africa is only 8 miles from Spain?
     
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    Bombing them is a sure way to end any such uprising, regardless of if it's Iranian, Israeli, or American bombs.
     
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    World Paying Heavy Price for Obama-Biden Appeasement Policy on Iran.

    https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/0...ama-biden-appeasement-policy-on-iran-n3786601

    'Jared Kushner’s Middle East policy efforts were, by every measure, more successful than not only Obama’s efforts but the decades of Brookings Institute-endorsed failures the region has endured. The Trump administration undercut Palestinian terror efforts, stifled Iranian ambitions, and created space for the Gulf States and Israel to enhance ties.'

    It was an amazing period of diplomacy.

    'Biden immediately reversed those gains, reverting to Obama-era Iranian boosterism. We’re now experiencing the consequences of pacifying Islamic ideologues. Obama might have sent the mullahs pallets of cash in the middle of the night, but the Biden administration openly subsidized the Revolutionary Guard with a $6 billion ransom payment, at least $25 billion in sanction relief, including $10 billion via a waiver, and so on. ...'

    'But to truly comprehend how demented our foreign policy has become, consider this: Iran reportedly informed Turkey in advance of its planned operation against Israel, and the U.S. told Iran through Ankara that the attack should be “within certain limits.” This is a longtime ally of the United States we’re talking about — and a foe that’s murdered and kidnapped Americans for decades.'

    '"Demented" is a very apropos word, under the circumstances. There has not been a foreign-policy administration with more evident, obvious, and catastrophic failure since Jimmy Carter, who also got Iran disastrously wrong.'

    Biden may be worse than even Carter.
     
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    That is the only argument you have.

    Others including me have facts which prove you wrong
     
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    Nu - hu is the only argument you have. Others including me have facts which prove you wrong
     

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